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it was a sales launch for the Colorado area dealers; they each got to drive on home as a symbolic "first delivery" of the new '14. Found a press release from Chrysler on it.

With time on my hands I test drove a Red overland in Utah on Friday; really confirmed all my ordering choices with the LUXII on the Limited. Also, the salesman just finish a two hour certification exam the night before on the new 2014s and really new his stuff.
Interesting... I have been checking dealer inventory and it seems like most are now having a high quantity on order... so we should really start to see them filling up lots with 2014's over the next couple weeks.

Luckily for me, since I will be ordering the CRD, I will get to see everything in person and not have to order blind (besides the CRD of course). Recently I've been keen on the Granite....

Now if I can just figure out when Billet's will start showing up on lots....
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James - any update on being able to order the CRD? I still haven't heard back from Jack. Not sure if he is just waiting until we are actually able to order them or not.
Hey sorry just saw this message... yes as others have said, it got pushed back -- again. I am itching to get mine ordered as well, but I don't mind waiting for them to fix any issues. I would rather wait and be problem free than get it a month earlier and have issues. Rumor now is ordering will open first week of April with production starting on April 22nd... meaning we could have them in our driveways sometime beginning of June, or end of June at latest. I think with the delay, there will be a bigger order of CRD's and they will knock them out at the factories faster than before, so really I don't think the delay will affect our delivery dates much. Just my opinion.

As I have said, I am locked in on the CRD. People seem to still be weary of the diesel, but I really believe it is the best engine. Especially for those like us who deal with altitude. If I was at sea level, i'd probably say screw it, and grab a HEMI, but being in Colorado, the benefit of the CRD at altitude cleary makes it the best choice. If there is issues with the CRD, who cares -- its going to be under warranty. I don't mind taking a few trips to the dealer to get some things fixed/adjusted if needed.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:59 PM
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People seem to still be weary of the diesel, but I really believe it is the best engine. Especially for those like us who deal with altitude. If I was at sea level, i'd probably say screw it, and grab a HEMI, but being in Colorado, the benefit of the CRD at altitude cleary makes it the best choice. If there is issues with the CRD, who cares -- its going to be under warranty. I don't mind taking a few trips to the dealer to get some things fixed/adjusted if needed.
That was a major reason why I initially wanted the CRD - for the turbo at altitude. My house is at about 5400 ft elevation and everything around here is above 4000. A turbo would be welcome; but I couldn't justify the $4K extra when there was no economic gain because of the high cost of diesel. So when the time comes, I'm just going to put a turbo on the V-6.
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That was a major reason why I initially wanted the CRD - for the turbo at altitude. My house is at about 5400 ft elevation and everything around here is above 4000. A turbo would be welcome; but I couldn't justify the $4K extra when there was no economic gain because of the high cost of diesel. So when the time comes, I'm just going to put a turbo on the V-6.
Might be hard to put a turbo on the V6 and cost a bunch, but would be awesome

And there is certainly a gain in regards to diesel price vs. mpg. You will save money there over the long term. The MPG gain is much higher than the gas price difference.
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Might be hard to put a turbo on the V6 and cost a bunch, but would be awesome

And there is certainly a gain in regards to diesel price vs. mpg. You will save money there over the long term. The MPG gain is much higher than the gas price difference.
James,

Before I switched to the V-6, I analyzed the cost difference based upon 25 mpg for the V-6 Pentastar and 30 mpg for the CRD and diesel costing $.65 more a gallon, which was the difference here in Prescott (about $3.39 for regular and $4.04 for diesel, IIRC). The diesel will use 5/6 the amount of fuel as the V-6, or 83.3%, or - looking at it from the other end - the V-6 will use 20% more fuel than the diesel. At the time, diesel was more than 20% higher than regular, so the diesel would cost more in fuel expenditures. As fuel prices increase, the CRD will become more economical vis a vis the V-6, as long as the difference in price remains the same or nearly so.

I believe, based upon the experiences of people I know and have read about with VW TDI's that the diesel mileage will increase over time. But to make up $4K, it would have to be a lot better. That is not even considering what I've been led to believe is the higher maintenance costs of the CRD. If Jeep had priced the diesel $2K more than the V-6, I'd have ordered (or tried to ) the diesel for the performance increase. But since I don't tow now (and the difference in towing capacity is relatively small), the V-6 made more sense.

I have a feeling putting a turbo in would void the warranty so I don't think I'm really going to do it.

Looking forward to our trip up to Colorado Springs.
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Before I switched to the V-6, I analyzed the cost difference based upon 25 mpg for the V-6 Pentastar and 30 mpg for the CRD and diesel costing $.65 more a gallon, which was the difference here in Prescott (about $3.39 for regular and $4.04 for diesel, IIRC). The diesel will use 5/6 the amount of fuel as the V-6, or 83.3%, or - looking at it from the other end - the V-6 will use 20% more fuel than the diesel. At the time, diesel was more than 20% higher than regular, so the diesel would cost more in fuel expenditures. As fuel prices increase, the CRD will become more economical vis a vis the V-6, as long as the difference in price remains the same or nearly so.

I believe, based upon the experiences of people I know and have read about with VW TDI's that the diesel mileage will increase over time. But to make up $4K, it would have to be a lot better. That is not even considering what I've been led to believe is the higher maintenance costs of the CRD. If Jeep had priced the diesel $2K more than the V-6, I'd have ordered (or tried to ) the diesel for the performance increase. But since I don't tow now (and the difference in towing capacity is relatively small), the V-6 made more sense.

I have a feeling putting a turbo in would void the warranty so I don't think I'm really going to do it.

Looking forward to our trip up to Colorado Springs.
As I said in my previous post, if you are debating V6 vs. CRD, its probably a clear choice for V6, assuming you don't care about the extra power. The CRD slightly nudges it on gas overall, but it would take A LONG time to make up the $4,000 cost. So I agree with your V6 decision. For me, the V6 isn't an option, and the CRD makes alot more sense than the V8.
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As I said in my previous post, if you are debating V6 vs. CRD, its probably a clear choice for V6, assuming you don't care about the extra power. The CRD slightly nudges it on gas overall, but it would take A LONG time to make up the $4,000 cost. So I agree with your V6 decision. For me, the V6 isn't an option, and the CRD makes alot more sense than the V8.
Agreed. Thankfully, I've heard the new transmission helps give some punch to the V-6. My X3 is only 260 hp and it goes OK. And thank you for not pointing my math was just little bit off.
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Hi All, my first post from the UK! Moving to Denver in April and really looking forward to getting my first Jeep GC.
Been reading your thread with real interest. James, sounds like you have done a fantastic deal! No way could this happen in UK
I have decided on V6 (I think! Enough power at altitude?) and leather and nav are my only essentials. So Limited or Laredo with options I guess. Will this deal still be available in April/ May do you think?
We will be living in Cherry Creek so guess the Aurora dealer is nearest but sounds like they are not that switched on?
Is sales tax 5%? Thought it was more in CO?
Regards to you all and looking forward to many happy years of Jeep ownership and forum posts!
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Had the privilege of skiing in Colorado last month. Had a dodge journey with the 3.6 V6 as a rental. Actually, when I started at the airport in Denver heading to Vail, i thought they gave me the 2.0 L 4 cylinder engine, I only discovered later on that it was the 3.6.
The point is, my Touareg TDI, even with numerically 46Hp less, moves never as weak as the Dodge did. If you ever try a Turbodiesel, especially in the mountains, you will never opt for a gas engine again.

...give it a try!

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Had the privilege of skiing in Colorado last month. Had a dodge journey with the 3.6 V6 as a rental. Actually, when I started at the airport in Denver heading to Vail, i thought they gave me the 2.0 L 4 cylinder engine, I only discovered later on that it was the 3.6.
The point is, my Touareg TDI, even with numerically 46Hp less, moves never as weak as the Dodge did. If you ever try a Turbodiesel, especially in the mountains, you will never opt for a gas engine again.

...give it a try!

Have fun

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Oh, that's a bit worrying! Do you know what bhp / torque the Dodge was? Do others have a view on the Pentastar at altitude? I have a diesel Mercedes in UK which I love. But hoping to enjoy some gas V6 ( or V8?) experience for a change but not if power loss is so dramatic at altitude.

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Oh, that's a bit worrying! Do you know what bhp / torque the Dodge was? Do others have a view on the Pentastar at altitude? I have a diesel Mercedes in UK which I love. But hoping to enjoy some gas V6 ( or V8?) experience for a change but not if power loss is so dramatic at altitude.

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It's not that bad. You will definitely notice it if you are pulling toward the max tow limit, generally drive like a teenage boy, or are at the top of Pike's Peak but it will still pull.
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It's not that bad. You will definitely notice it if you are pulling toward the max tow limit, generally drive like a teenage boy, or are at the top of Pike's Peak but it will still pull.
Thanks. Guess I will have to test drive and see when I get over. Vast majority of Jeeps over here are diesel, mainly cos of fuel price which is nearly 3 times what you pay!
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