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I hear you. The Jeep offers much more for the money but I feel that in the end I will get the new 4Runner due to my previous WK issues. This forum helps me out on researching. The 5th Gen frame/drivetrain is pretty much just like the 4th Gen so its proven and they ar very very well built, solid trucks. Reading things on here like "Water leaking into cabin" honestly has me in shock, especially since that was a huge issue on 05 WKs early on. If they cant get that right then that is a problem. I also never liked that wishy washy trans on my 5.7 and 4.7 WKs. Torque Converter could never make up its mind!!! Sounds like they still have that trans on the new WK?
Give me a break. These leaks are isolated incidents and posts by a few, a VERY few who have problems hardly constitutes research.

Search for "4Runner problems" and you'll find thousands of posts in the various 4Runner boards regarding 4Runner issues, including plenty of cabin water leaks.

Spend some time in those forums and you'll also find 50 page threads of people screaming and crying about the 4Runner getting trounced in reviews when compared against the WK2.

Look, some people simply want to confirm that their preference for the butt ugly, less capable, lower value 4Runner was the right choice by harping on about what a POS the WK2 is after every post regarding a problem. I'm sure we all know people who are militant American car haters.

Most people ONLY post when they have a problem, not when they don't.

There simply hasn't been enough time to determine the WK2's overall quality, though I would venture to say that despite a few hiccups, all indicators are that the GC is imbued with far more quality than previous generations.
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Give me a break. These leaks are isolated incidents and posts by a few, a VERY few who have problems hardly constitutes research.

Search for "4Runner problems" and you'll find thousands of posts in the various 4Runner boards regarding 4Runner issues, including plenty of cabin water leaks.
Okay, hold on....I've been a 4Runner owner for more than 10 years (I'm on my second 4Runner) and I've been following the forums for just as long. I'm not going to tell you that no 4Runner has ever had a cabin water leak, but I can't remember ever reading anyone complain about that on the forums. If it does happen, I'd say it is FAR more isolated than what I've seen on this forum.

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Spend some time in those forums and you'll also find 50 page threads of people screaming and crying about the 4Runner getting trounced in reviews when compared against the WK2.
Most 4Runner people seem content because the 4Runner is more of a "no compromise" vehicle. Now in the 5th gen, Toyota decided to make the 4Runner go back more towards its roots. Because of that, it lost a lot of the nice little touches that I've enjoyed on my 4th gen. This also helped keep the price down, which was obviously a priority for Toyota. If you want comfort, get the Jeep. If you're in it for offroad ability, get the Toyota. That's how most of the comparison tests seem to end.

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Look, some people simply want to confirm that their preference for the butt ugly, less capable, lower value 4Runner was the right choice by harping on about what a POS the WK2 is after every post regarding a problem. I'm sure we all know people who are militant American car haters.
Ouch.... ugly? Yes, I have to agree. But less capable? LOL, you've got to be kidding. In which way do you think the 4Runner is less capable than the WK2? I hope you're not talking about offroad capability.

And like I've said before, people absolutely expect the 4Runner to be problem-free because of past history. If the WK2 turns out even half as good, then I'd be satisfied if I owned one. If ccsp has a history of issues with Jeeps, how can you fault him for being cautious or wanting to do research before he makes a decision?

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Most people ONLY post when they have a problem, not when they don't.
That's true in every forum. And that's why anyone can gauge issues between vehicles fairly accurately is he/she just spends a little time reading what people who own the vehicles have to say.


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There simply hasn't been enough time to determine the WK2's overall quality, though I would venture to say that despite a few hiccups, all indicators are that the GC is imbued with far more quality than previous generations.
I agree completely. But only time will tell. The jury is still out in my opinion.
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I hear you. The Jeep offers much more for the money but I feel that in the end I will get the new 4Runner due to my previous WK issues. This forum helps me out on researching. The 5th Gen frame/drivetrain is pretty much just like the 4th Gen so its proven and they ar very very well built, solid trucks. Reading things on here like "Water leaking into cabin" honestly has me in shock, especially since that was a huge issue on 05 WKs early on. If they cant get that right then that is a problem. I also never liked that wishy washy trans on my 5.7 and 4.7 WKs. Torque Converter could never make up its mind!!! Sounds like they still have that trans on the new WK?
When I mentioned that I'm considering a WK2 on the 4Runner forum, everyone basically has the same response. They tell me good luck and that they hope I'm able to develop a good relationship with the service department of my local Jeep dealership. Many of the guys over there have owned Grand Cherokees in the past and they're not shy about telling everyone their nightmare experiences. I told them that the WK2 is a very important vehicle for Jeep and that this one is supposed to be higher in quality and reliability than Grand Cherokees in the past. But the big thing for me is that I've never owned a Grand Cherokee, so I don't have any first-hand experience. So I can only go by what I hear from other people. My next door neighbor has a WK (I think it's a 2006) and he told me that he's never had a single issue with it. Either way, I don't NEED perfection....I'd be satisfied as long as I have a vehicle with minor problems that can be corrected easily at the dealership.
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee - reliability

I don't think I would worry about first year issues mainly because they are covered under warranty and that's only IF you encounter some. On the extreme side if its too bad there's always the lemon law!

If you are really comparing Jeep to something else I think the fact that Jeep is made in the US has to add some hidden value to it. Yes I own a Jap car but I won't be purchasing anymore foreign vehicles.

My main concern about a new gas guzzling truck is its future value. Not just because you aren't getting any rebates but because in the next 10 years I think more an more vehicles are going to cross over to something other than gasoline.
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Okay, hold on....I've been a 4Runner owner for more than 10 years (I'm on my second 4Runner) and I've been following the forums for just as long. I'm not going to tell you that no 4Runner has ever had a cabin water leak, but I can't remember ever reading anyone complain about that on the forums. If it does happen, I'd say it is FAR more isolated than what I've seen on this forum.

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You're right, both of those reports of a cabin water leak make it pretty clear that the WK2 has a serious, rather than extremely isolated problem.

Look MCSA, I find it very difficult to believe you'll ever be able to overcome your anti-Jeep bias. I find it even less likely that you'll ever buy one.

You emphasize every wonderful trait of the 4Runner, and magnify every problem on the WK2 to major proportions. I just can't envision a scenario where you would ever find the WK2 a better choice than the 4Runner.

So what does that leave? A guy trolling a forum who brings with him the same attitude expressed on the 4Runner forums...Jeeps suck, are totally unreliable, and you'd be a fool to buy one.

You prefer the 4Runner, go buy one.
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Not only do the 4Runners have pretty much zero quality control problems but if a problem arises, the dealer will take care of them and not try to weasel out like the HORRIBLE Chrysler service departments. As far as offroad capability? Well, the 4Runner at least comes with recover points, skids and 32" tires stock and BODY ON FRAME.

Yes the WK2 has to be 100% better than the 05-10 but then again, anything would be.
So you're considering buying a vehicle with inferior quality, inferior off road capability, less value, and HORRIBLE after sales service? Why would you do that?
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You're right, both of those reports of a cabin water leak make it pretty clear that the WK2 has a serious, rather than extremely isolated problem.

Look MCSA, I find it very difficult to believe you'll ever be able to overcome your anti-Jeep bias. I find it even less likely that you'll ever buy one.

You emphasize every wonderful trait of the 4Runner, and magnify every problem on the WK2 to major proportions. I just can't envision a scenario where you would ever find the WK2 a better choice than the 4Runner.

So what does that leave? A guy trolling a forum who brings with him the same attitude expressed on the 4Runner forums...Jeeps suck, are totally unreliable, and you'd be a fool to buy one.

You prefer the 4Runner, go buy one.
You can think whatever you want, but please leave your attitude at the door.

I'm not saying that the WK2 has a big problem with leaking. As for your opinion on whether or not I'll ever buy a WK2, well, I don't really care what you think. Your opinion just doesn't matter to me. You think I magnify WK2 problems? Seriously? That's a laugh riot because I don't own a WK2...I'm only reading and responding to what actual owners have been saying. That's not magnifying anything as far as I'm concerned....

And since you think you know so much about me, I'll tell you this: I already own a 4Runner. It's a 4th generation. The 5th gen 4Runner started in 2010. I don't like the new body style. I do like the styling of the WK2...I like it a lot. That's one of the reasons I want to see if current owners are happy with them.

So you can sit there and think whatever you want, but so far it seems to me that you're way off base.
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Just wanted to post a recent picture of my 4Runner, so you remember that I already have one and that the WK2 might just be my next midsize SUV:
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Not only do the 4Runners have pretty much zero quality control problems but if a problem arises, the dealer will take care of them and not try to weasel out like the HORRIBLE Chrysler service departments. As far as offroad capability? Well, the 4Runner at least comes with recover points, skids and 32" tires stock and BODY ON FRAME.

Yes the WK2 has to be 100% better than the 05-10 but then again, anything would be.

boy...what a silly statement by a smart guy. Just do some searches on 4runners, toyota etc. Its no different on the 4runner forums than it is here.

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You can think whatever you want, but please leave your attitude at the door.I'm not saying that the WK2 has a big problem with leaking. As for your opinion on whether or not I'll ever buy a WK2, well, I don't really care what you think. Your opinion just doesn't matter to me. You think I magnify WK2 problems? Seriously? That's a laugh riot because I don't own a WK2...I'm only reading and responding to what actual owners have been saying. That's not magnifying anything as far as I'm concerned....

And since you think you know so much about me, I'll tell you this: I already own a 4Runner. It's a 4th generation. The 5th gen 4Runner started in 2010. I don't like the new body style. I do like the styling of the WK2...I like it a lot. That's one of the reasons I want to see if current owners are happy with them.

So you can sit there and think whatever you want, but so far it seems to me that you're way off base.
attitude???? from you....LOL. We all know you have the awe inspiring, almighty 4runner. Its in like 100 of your posts. In fact...most of your posts border on trolling since it "seems" your here to stir shit. I doubt a vehicle built by GOD himself could satisfy your ego....well excpet a 4runner. Just an observation.
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attitude???? from you....LOL. We all know you have the awe inspiring, almighty 4runner.
Apparently, GG didn't know it. Why elsel would he tell me to go buy a 4Runner?
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Apparently, GG didn't know it. Why elsel would he tell me to go buy a 4Runner?
It's not attitude, it's the only logical conclusion if you believe everything you say.
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