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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee - reliability

Hey guys,

Give MSCA a break! He works hard to encourage diversity of opinion!

Unless, of course that opinion is deluded, misconceived or simply wrong-minded. I.E not HIS.

Don't be so hard on the guy!

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its not his diversity of opinion at all...its his constant "looking for an argument" mentality....

anyway...my apologies...back on topic
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its not his diversity of opinion at all...its his constant "looking for an argument" mentality....

anyway...my apologies...back on topic

Okay, ya got me. In your infinite wisdom, you've uncovered my secret diabolical plan to troll the Jeep forums, just to spread the virtues of 4Runner ownership.

I can't believe you figured it out!
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It's not attitude, it's the only logical conclusion if you believe everything you say.
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I dont think its to spread the "Virtues of 4runner" ownership at all....


youre just that type of person...LOL. You would argue blue was red...just for your own sick satisfaction. You probably have a little interest....albeit it very little...in the 2011 Grand Cherokee.
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I dont think its to spread the "Virtues of 4runner" ownership at all....


youre just that type of person...LOL. You would argue blue was red...just for your own sick satisfaction. You probably have a little interest....albeit it very little...in the 2011 Grand Cherokee.

Okay, so now I'm not a troll. I'm just argumentative.

Thanks for helping everyone understand me.
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee - reliability

I haven't scrolled through all of this but have either of you read this:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ion/index.html

I know they are talking about a 4Runner Trail vs. a GC Limited or Overland instead of a Laredo-X but their points are valid. You can't get the lux features in the 4Runner AND have the off-road capability. The Jeep is the best blend of both worlds. I am not trying to insert myself into this but thought I would point out what others are saying.

With that said, back to the topic of this thread...

After a month of ownership and 1900 miles I am happier with my purchase than I was initially. Any hint of buyer's remorse (or fear of the unknown) has been wiped away from a responsive dealership and the vehicle breaking in. As it breaks in it continues to drive better and better. For a 5,000 lb. brick it is actually fun to drive.

I have had 3 issues to date and two are seemingly related. The first was a highway vibration or lunge. That has improved with miles so the dealer's explanation that my torque converter is breaking in to locking and unlocking modes seems to be holding true. But the other related issue is jerky engine response when downshifting. This hasn't improved or gotten worse. At 50mph when in ECO mode if you floor it the gear changes are smooth but it seems to struggle to get to power. My dealer and I are monitoring this but it is minor and may still be a break-in issue.

The other issue I had is something with the stereo. I get what sounds like a Blackberry hum when it is on for 5 minutes. It doesn't go away and doesn't change with volume. The dealer saw me that day, replicated it, and diagnosed as a bad amplifier. It will be here this week.

I haven't had any of the TSB type issues, I am averaging 15mpg around town using the remote start every day (20-21mpg on the highway), and the car has never left me stranded.

As I have said before, I have previously owned three Accords and one TL. When I bought each one, they all had their minor issues that had to be replaced. On my last Accord the trunk had to be repainted after a year because flakes of metal were painted onto it. I also recall having a few speakers replaced under warranty within the first month. The TL, which I would classify as an awesome ride, had to have the manual transmission replaced under a TSB. I was a Honda loyalist and left the brand because I think they are stuck in the trap that American company's were in during the late 90's and early 2000's: build 'em bigger and more powerful each time. Nothing new just bigger and with a higher displacement engine. I haven't seen any innovation from the company.

Still getting back to the topic at hand, today's least reliable vehicles are no longer AS bad they used to be. The gap between the best an worst isn't as much as it used to be. So not to egg anyone on, but a bad Jeep and a good 4Runner (in terms of number of problems) will be few and far between. The 4Runner didn't seem to be tied up in the massive quality problems Toyota had this summer, but that company had WAY to many. I am surprised nobody has mentioned that. I considered looking at a Toyota but I am not convinced they have it together based on how it appears they tried to hide issues with their vehicles.

The point is get what you like and think you can live with. Either car, it's a lot of money to spend on something you aren't 100% sure about.
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youre a argumentative troll.....LOL. I still love ya though MSCA....youre always good for a laugh
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I haven't scrolled through all of this but have either of you read this:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ion/index.html

I know they are talking about a 4Runner Trail vs. a GC Limited or Overland instead of a Laredo-X but their points are valid. You can't get the lux features in the 4Runner AND have the off-road capability. The Jeep is the best blend of both worlds..
Yup, that's another mistake by Toyota. On the 5th gen 4Runner, you get a different 4wd system on the Trail model than you do the Limited. The Trail is more capable for sure, but then you can't get all the luxury stuff on the Limited. I guess they wanted to make the Trail and Limited two very different vehicles and they sure seemed to have done a good job at that.
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youre a argumentative troll.....LOL. I still love ya though MSCA....youre always good for a laugh
Thanks. I get a kick out of your posts very often too. And some other people really crack me up with their very limited knowledge, but they shall remain nameless...
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Isn't this MSCA guy the one who made a big stink about loading bikes on a roof rack, lost, and still talked smack?

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Read the thread. There was nothing to win nor lose. There was no bet. Hmm...you just might be one of those guys I was just talking about. LOL
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