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Old 01-17-2011, 12:42 PM
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

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Could there be two fuel tanks, a larger one for the 2x4 and smaller one for 4x4 (due to space)? I can't find a definitive answer either.
Possibly, but I imagine Ford would have mentioned that on their website. An 18 gallon tank is still on the small side for such a vehicle- it's what I'd expect in a midsize or full size car, but it's small for a SUV type vehicle, where you expect 20+ gallons.
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Old 01-17-2011, 01:38 PM
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

I just verified with a friend peripherally involved with Ford Racing whom has been at a few media shows for the new Explorer: the fuel capacity is indeed currently 18.6 gallons. The 22gal figure is either a web site mistake or they were planning originally to do 22gal and a change was made in production for reasons TBD. That's a bit lean for fuel load IMHO.
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Old 01-17-2011, 01:50 PM
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

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I just verified with a friend peripherally involved with Ford Racing whom has been at a few media shows for the new Explorer: the fuel capacity is indeed currently 18.6 gallons. The 22gal figure is either a web site mistake or they were planning originally to do 22gal and a change was made in production for reasons TBD. That's a bit lean for fuel load IMHO.
Nice bit of info. I agree, less than 20 gallons is a bit light. Assuming you'd get the full 25mpg (EPA est highway for the FWD), you're talking 472.5 miles, but nobody runs the thing all the way dry (at least, nobody with any sense). For the 4x4, you're down to 23mpg highway (hey, the Grand Cherokee V6 4x4 is 16/22, compared to 17/23 for the Explorer V6 4x4... 1mpg is a meaningless difference on the same grade of fuel; IMO, you need to be at 3mpg in order for it to become meaningful).

If we take the same number of cylinders and both having all wheels driven, there's no meaningful difference between the fuel usage. The importance of the difference in acceleration between the V6 Explorer and V6 GC is open for debate- I contend it is right on the edge where it goes from being "meh" to "that might matter, but usually won't," but there's a difference of opinion here in regards to that. Generally, we won't be talking a completely different feel when you stomp the go pedal. A difference of over 6 gallons IS meaningful, especially when that means about an extra 120 miles on a tank of fuel.

The Explorer may be nice compared to what came before, but I'm not seeing any reason for people to get all excited, especially considering it's more in the stripe of a Highlander/Acadia type- an SUV looking minivan. When you can talk about a Durango or potentially a Grand Wagoneer for the same money, the blue oval is found wanting.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:06 PM
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

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The Explorer may be nice compared to what came before, but I'm not seeing any reason for people to get all excited, especially considering it's more in the stripe of a Highlander/Acadia type- an SUV looking minivan. When you can talk about a Durango or potentially a Grand Wagoneer for the same money, the blue oval is found wanting.
Well said. Nice, but overpriced for what you get.

2011 WK2 (in all flavors) wins the bang for the buck award easily.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:36 PM
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LEO, not Leo, which is an abbreviation for Law Enforcement Officer (a state trooper in this case).
You obviously didn't get the joke. I'll keep them more simple for you from now on.

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Dismissing the accuracy of my methods ipso facto dismisses (refutes) my results. Since laser or radar is used to measure speed at professional race tracks you cannot criticize that so you then insinuate we were too fast on the timer. You criticize a mechanical engineer and cop but have yet to demonstrate what testing equipment/methods meet your definition of accurate.
You can keep regurgitating the same BS over and over, but the fact of the matter is a guy pressing a button to start & stop a stopwatch is a piss poor way to measure 0-60 performance, especially when you're dealing with tenths of a second. Anyone with any common sense at all realizes that...

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You are correct; I "don't get" what your point is and notice that you have not responded to some simple queries about what methods YOUR sources (i.e. MT) used; you simply assume MT's (and others?) unspecified methods are better...because...why? You don't know yet you pontificate and add zero value to the thread.
Oh, I know. But it's pointless for me to take the time to explain it to you when you're just going to respond by claiming that Leo (sarcasm here) has fast thumbs. Really, what's the point? If you want to know so badly, look it up yourself. The info is out there.
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

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Dismissing the accuracy of my methods ipso facto dismisses (refutes) my results.
The more you post, the more I think you have some major reading comprehension problems. Let me help you out:

I didn't dismiss the accuracy of your methods. I questioned them. There's a HUGE difference there. And since it is accurate to say that I questioned your methods, it should be easy for you to understand that questioning the accuracy of one's methods in no way refutes (or dismisses) the results. Is that too difficult to understand? Even if one's methods are total crap, it is possible to come up with accurate results, even if it was due to dumb luck. Happens all the time in science. Just ask anyone who has conducted a few experiments.
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

Strange it seems like every thread that MSCA posts to devolves into an argument.

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I heard someplace that the Edge, the new Explorer, etc, are built on the platform that Ford inherited from Volvo, and that they used to build the Volvo SUV. Has anyone else heard that?

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I heard someplace that the Edge, the new Explorer, etc, are built on the platform that Ford inherited from Volvo, and that they used to build the Volvo SUV. Has anyone else heard that?
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It would not be surprising but I don't recall seeing that news. Their parts/component-assembly buyers I assume would lobby design engineers for that arrangement for considerable savings not just in costs but also for JIT manufacturing efficiencies. I'd like to make some time to crawl under a new Explorer to see how they laid out the unibody and drivetrain. Yes, I do that to all the vehicles that pique my interest.
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

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It would not be surprising but I don't recall seeing that news. Their parts/component-assembly buyers I assume would lobby design engineers for that arrangement for considerable savings not just in costs but also for JIT manufacturing efficiencies. I'd like to make some time to crawl under a new Explorer to see how they laid out the unibody and drivetrain. Yes, I do that to all the vehicles that pique my interest.

LOL. I can see the expression on the salesman's face when he offers you a test drive and you ask if he can pull it up onto a rack.
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Re: 2011 Grand Cherokee vs. 2011 Ford Explorer

I actually saw the new explorer for the first time today... its big, like REAL big definetly not my taste. I would also like to point out that it is in fact NOT that ugly in person but pictures itself look absolutely horrible and also I could see why people would buy it.

just sayin...
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