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2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

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#1 ·
First time poster - done a little research the last few weeks. I think the Overland (not Summit) is the choice for me.

I want Natural Pearl Green but it appears that the color has been discontinued for 2012 and there is a replacement due on November (dealer doesn't acknowledge this)... not sure what that new green will look like.

So..... it appears that a 2011 can be purchased for @$1,500 less than a 2012 given the rebate, the 2012 price bump, etc. Dealer has offered me a fair trade deal but a vehicle quote at invoice. Maybe there's some room there, should be I think. So if the difference is $2K does the 6 speed tranny (I want a Hemi) and a 2012 make sense? I should also add that I usually keep a vehicle 2 to 3 years so I think there could be a difference resale wise in my case.

However - if there really isn't a green for 2012 or the green is hideous, my decision is made for me - 2011.

Appreciate input/insights.

Thanks!
 
#2 ·
The 2012 6 speed is functionally the same as a May or later build 2011 or any 2011 after all TSBs are applied. Should not be a decision factor for you unless you think it will affect your resale value enough.

The 2011 Overland Hemi comes standard with rear Limited Slip Dif, the 2012 does not. If it makes any difference to you, in 2012 it looks like you must get an off road package.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Exactly. You have to get the ORAG II (Off Road Adventure Group II) package to get the ESLD (Electronic Limited Slip Differential) and QD II (Quadra Drive II). That will cost you another $995. Additionally, the 2011 V8 4X4 Overland comes with the ELSD and QD II. The HEMI option also increased by $200 from the 2011 to the 2012 due to the "new" 6-spd transmission that is functionally identical (same gear ratios confirmed) to late 2011 builds (on or after May 2nd) or those previous builds with the TSB applied. There is talk that a new torque converter was added to the 2012 so maybe that's the $200 HEMI option increase but it's absurd that the price went up considering they took the ELSD and QD II out of the V8 on the 4X4s.

Lastly, the Natural Green Pearl has been discontinued for 2012. The new green is called Dark Forest Green and will look considerably darker than the current Green so if you're in love with the color and you consider the other things mentioned, you should get the 2011 you're looking at.
 
#4 ·
Thank you for the input. The color issue alone is likely enough to push me to a 2011.

I plead ignorance to the ESLD (Electronic Limited Slip Differential) and QD II (Quadra Drive II) and how it will affect me.

But I'm thinking it's nice to have in a snowy climate and am thinking it helps me with boat towing. Is that fair to say?
 
#5 ·
Definitely get the Quadra Drive II and ELSD. It will help a lot in snow and rain and with towing. I'm not sure from your first post if you were saying you found a 2011 in Natural Green Pearl but he's quoting you invoice? If that's correct, then depending on what you're getting offered for your trade relative to KBB, you can get a much better deal. Most people buying 2011s are getting them for around $1500 below invoice before the $1000 rebate is applied.
 
#6 ·
Sounds like I have a little more negotiating to do! The offer on the table is invoice and then what I would consider a high trade in number for my trade. I expected $500.00 to $1K lower on my trade based on my research and numbers received from another Jeep dealer and a Ford dealer (checked out Explorers). High trade in numbers are nice here in NY as I also save 8% sales tax on the trade amount.

I'm thinking they won't move far given the trade number, but that doesn't stop me from trying and I think I can join the Tread Lightly organization for I think 1% off invoice - another @$400.00 that I believe has no bearing on the dealer (comes from Chrysler).

The other factor is to find one exactly has I want - the nearest one they located is several states away (e.g. 700 miles) unless I want the 430N radio. Maybe that lessens their ability to negotiate?!

Appreciate the help - I think this cemented me getting a 2011.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Here is another one at the dealer I bought my Summit from. BTW, I also went with the 2011 due to the ELSD and Quadra Drive II. In sport mode, with the right foot down, the car jumped to life against a Q7 and a RR Sport HSE. I had a nice grin...

http://www.route46chryslerjeepdodge.com/ou/falls-auto/2964_1771/inv/2011JeepGrand%20Cherokee/110755

I don't recommend my salesman, but I recommend another salesman (Gabrielle) who showed me the car's features, since my salesman had to leave early. Gabe was really professional and didn't act like a child.

Here is the window sticker for that car. (Note: It says Quadra Trac II on the window sticker, but that was a standard thing for 2011 even though 5.7L Overlands all came with the ELSD and Quadra Drive II.)

http://www.jeep.com/hostc/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1J4RR6GT5BC605949
 
#9 ·
Here is another one at the dealer I bought my Summit from. BTW, I also went with the 2011 due to the ELSD and Quadra Drive II. In sport mode, with the right foot down, the car jumped to life against a Q7 and a RR Sport HSE. I had a nice grin...

http://www.route46chryslerjeepdodge.com/ou/falls-auto/2964_1771/inv/2011JeepGrand Cherokee/110755

I don't recommend my salesman, but I recommend another salesman (Gabrielle) who showed me the car's features, since my salesman had to leave early. Gabe was really professional and didn't act like a child.

Here is the window sticker for that car. (Note: It says Quadra Trac II on the window sticker, but that was a standard thing for 2011 even though 5.7L Overlands all came with the ELSD and Quadra Drive II.)

http://www.jeep.com/hostc/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1J4RR6GT5BC605949
Thank you. Unfortunately it's missing two options that I want - 730N and more importantly the Advance Warning/Adaptive cruise options.
 
#8 ·
In the WK2, the difference between QT II and Quadradrive is the added limited slip rear and some software. They both use the identical QT II transfer case. So in some sense QD and ELSD are synonymous as far as feature set. They list QT II and QD separately as QD is an add on the QT II system, bot a replacement.
 
#13 ·
Here is a late May build (probably all updates applied at factory) with black interior with 730N and Advanced Warning Package. (Approx. 400 miles away)

VIN: 1J4RR6GT7BC675923

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...rId=24620&rpp=50&feedSegId=28705&aff=national

Window Sticker
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/windowSticker.do?vin=1J4RR6GT7BC675923

Vehicle Build and Delivery History
http://insightnl.extra.chrysler.com...75923&INPUT_SEARCH_BY=VIN&dummy=1297019464271

That combination is absolutely beautiful just looking at it, classy!
Very cool! Pretty sure that is the one they located for me yesterday. I had no idea you could pull the build and delivery history. Many thanks!
 
#15 · (Edited)
Well we are now down to brass tacks.... The dealer refuses to go below invoice which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That said, I think the trade in number they have given me is excellent and makes up for the lack of below invoice $$$. I guess things even out.

There has been a suggestion of charging me something to get the vehicle transported to NY - I will not agree to that. Waiting for their answer on that.

Appears that getting the 2011 saves me @$2,500.00 over a 2012 based on the $1K incentive and the price jumps. I need to check out Tread Lightly as save me another @$430.00 I think.

I have to admit to this giving me pause on whether a 2012 makes sense especially since in 2 to 3 years I will likely switch vehicles.

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Update - just got an email from the dealer, they are proposing that I pay $895.00 shipping. I don't think that's a smart deal for me. If I didn't have a trade in to deal with, I would simply fly down and drive it back. I'm sure that dealer who has had it 90 days would go well below invoice right now. Sigh.... maybe I just wait for the green on a 2012 and see if I like the color.

Anybody think this is a good deal for me?
 
#16 ·
A deal is a good deal if you think it is. With that said, where are you located in updstate NY? You said the one they located was 700 miles away and they are going to ship it to your dealership for $895? How much over KBB are they offering you on your trade? It will help if we have all the data to make a conclusive determination on whether it's a good deal based on what others are getting.

Well we are now down to brass tacks.... The dealer refuses to go below invoice which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That said, I think the trade in number they have given me is excellent and makes up for the lack of below invoice $$$. I guess things even out.

There has been a suggestion of charging me something to get the vehicle transported to NY - I will not agree to that. Waiting for their answer on that.

Appears that getting the 2011 saves me @$2,500.00 over a 2012 based on the $1K incentive and the price jumps. I need to check out Tread Lightly as save me another @$430.00 I think.

I have to admit to this giving me pause on whether a 2012 makes sense especially since in 2 to 3 years I will likely switch vehicles.

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Update - just got an email from the dealer, they are proposing that I pay $895.00 shipping. I don't think that's a smart deal for me. If I didn't have a trade in to deal with, I would simply fly down and drive it back. I'm sure that dealer who has had it 90 days would go well below invoice right now. Sigh.... maybe I just wait for the green on a 2012 and see if I like the color.

Anybody think this is a good deal for me?
 
#17 ·
I had a Moss Green JeepGC (mid 90s) that I loved. Have seen other green variants that I have NOT liked at all (forest green) in the years since.

The 2011 comes very close to the Green that I loved - so was my first choice.

Color choice is important to me - I need to love it/like it for a long time.
 
#18 ·
First - I appreciate all the help!

I'm in Rochester, NY.

KBB says my trade is worth $20,975.00 for Excellent and $19,675.00 for Good. I would say my vehicle condition is in between. Had trade values from a couple of other dealers - $17K and $19K. Might be time to check out some more. Both of these other dealers were selling their vehicles for $200.00 under invoice. A trade in of $20,500.00 translates to $22,140.00 because of the tax savings so private sales makes zero sense in this case.

This same dealer has offered to order me a 2012 and sell at invoice with the same trade in. But.... of course that still comes in at a $2,500 premium over the 2011 and who knows what on the color.
 
#19 ·
This is why you gotta negotiate the price of vehicle first and get them as low as you can at a price you like and then let them know that you have a trade or they play numbers games with you. Since they're giving you 1500 more for your trade than the second highest, that translates to 1500 under invoice on your purchase. People are getting that off 2012s right now and if his vehicle has been sitting on the lot for over 90 days he should be really motivated to get rid of it due to holdback and paying taxes etc. I feel like you can do better but if you're happy with the deal and it's what you want, only you can make that choice.

First - I appreciate all the help!

I'm in Rochester, NY.

KBB says my trade is worth $20,975.00 for Excellent and $19,675.00 for Good. I would say my vehicle condition is in between. Had trade values from a couple of other dealers - $17K and $19K. Might be time to check out some more. Both of these other dealers were selling their vehicles for $200.00 under invoice. A trade in of $20,500.00 translates to $22,140.00 because of the tax savings so private sales makes zero sense in this case.

This same dealer has offered to order me a 2012 and sell at invoice with the same trade in. But.... of course that still comes in at a $2,500 premium over the 2011 and who knows what on the color.
 
#21 ·
Sounds to me like a reasonable deal, except for the pickup charge. I would offer $400 and stand firm. Don't be afraid to walk away. It's the end of month and they will be looking to deal. They just won't make it easy. :slapfight:
 
#22 · (Edited)
+1 I always try and buy my vehicles at the end of the month because often times they're motivated to make a quota to get extra money and they often times have extra incentives. When I bought my Ram I had done my homework with pricing, rebates, incentives, holdback etc. and came up with a number. To my surprise the dealer came back with a best offer of $1500 below even that! When I called I told them flat out, I'm ready to buy today if we can agree on a number before I came in. I told him of all the rebates and holdback I was aware of and gave him his chance (this was their fleet manager...I don't deal with salesmen) and he put me on hold a few minutes and came and gave me his number. I said ok, drove and picked it up. Stand firm indeed.
 
#23 ·
Well so here we are.... I offered to split the $895 delivery. They just came back to me and said they couldn't cause they were paying the other dealer invoice - I don't know how that could be possible between dealers especially for a 2011 that has been sitting there for almost 90 days.... Doesn't seem good to me.
 
#24 ·
They are paying the other dealer's invoice, which includes the original freight charge. That charge is also included on the sticker and charged to the customer. The issue here is that they apparently want to charge you another $895 on top of the original freight charge to pick up the vehicle. That seems excessive. I wouldn't pay that much.
 
#26 ·
Yes, it is quite common. Your dealer will get all of the hold back money. Since they will not drop the price below invoice on a 2011, I would go to another dealer and ask them if they can get the same vehicle. Get a delivered price, plus any incentives, then bring in the trade. If you don't like the deal, ask them about ordering a 2012. You should be able to get it at $500-1k below invoice, as there would be no lot time. Whatever you do, keep the trade separate from the purchase. :)
 
#29 ·
Update - Went in and saw the original dealer yesterday, came to terms on my new Overland! I'm paying $450 to get it to NY from NC. Also taking delivery either before or after 9/6 so I can straddle a possible incentive boost for 2011's. I can't imagine the incentive gets worse and hopefully a little better. In addition to them meeting me on the shipping, my decision came down to a couple of other items:

1. Color - I just don't think Black Forest Green does it for me, so this was my last chance to get the Natural Green Pearlcoat.

2. I also reached out to two other dealers locally in Rochester, the experience astounded me. First one promises to call me back within a couple of hours. Six hours later, no call - I call and complain a little to another rep. Abundant apologies and a promise to call me later that evening (Thursday) or first thing in the AM. It's Sunday morning folks, no phone call. Business must be so good they don't have time.

Second one - I visit these folks. It was back to the 1980's for car buying. I luck out and get the Al Bundy of cars apparently. Couldn't locate the vehicle I knew was there in the system (he didn't try very hard), I inquire about 2012's - not sure on color, etc. How about you give me a number on my trade in - outright refused as he says he has nothing to sell me. I probe a little more as to where they would sell a new one that I ordered. - Maybe $1K OVER invoice. I said goodbye, never to set foot there ever again.

Original sales guy at where I bought it is night and day. Responsive at all hours via email. Met me at the door both times after he saw me drive in, etc.

Anyway - happy to be joining the Jeep family again!
 
#34 ·
Maybe but I think in the end it was they could find a lesser $$$ shipper that would take a little longer (I don't care when it shows up in September, free miles on my current vehicle). They still insisted that they are losing the hold back - if that's true does the original dealer get it?! In the end, I'm happy with the deal and I'm getting a full tank of gas - they said Chrysler only provides for $30 or so of gas at delivery now as a standard.
 
#35 ·
They will not lose the holdback. The selling dealer gets it.
Regarding the gas; I stopped in at my dealer yesterday to pick up a bill of sale for my bank. I noticed the invoice they gave me had a line reading $29 for 7 1/2 gallons of gas. This is what Chrysler includes on all vehicles. The dealers generally pass this charge along in the negotiated price. Then I looked at the bill of sale and noticed they added another $25 for gas. The manager said they add that on to every purchase. I'm not sure I believe that since I have never seen that before. I said to the him, "So you don't even fill the tank?" He said "No". I got a very good price and trade amount so I didn't want to push too much but after bantering a bit he agreed to fill the tank. I am supposed to pick it up on Tuesday and will make sure that happens.
 
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