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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

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Here is a late May build (probably all updates applied at factory) with black interior with 730N and Advanced Warning Package. (Approx. 400 miles away)

VIN: 1J4RR6GT7BC675923

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...5&aff=national

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http://www.jeep.com/hostc/windowStic...RR6GT7BC675923

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http://insightnl.extra.chrysler.com/...=1297019464271

That combination is absolutely beautiful just looking at it, classy!
Very cool! Pretty sure that is the one they located for me yesterday. I had no idea you could pull the build and delivery history. Many thanks!
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:31 PM
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

Well you definitely have some options it looks like. Let us know what you decide OP.

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Here is a late May build (probably all updates applied at factory) with black interior with 730N and Advanced Warning Package. (Approx. 400 miles away)

VIN: 1J4RR6GT7BC675923

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...5&aff=national

Window Sticker
http://www.jeep.com/hostc/windowStic...RR6GT7BC675923

Vehicle Build and Delivery History
http://insightnl.extra.chrysler.com/...=1297019464271

That combination is absolutely beautiful just looking at it, classy!
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:11 PM
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

Well we are now down to brass tacks.... The dealer refuses to go below invoice which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That said, I think the trade in number they have given me is excellent and makes up for the lack of below invoice $$$. I guess things even out.

There has been a suggestion of charging me something to get the vehicle transported to NY - I will not agree to that. Waiting for their answer on that.

Appears that getting the 2011 saves me @$2,500.00 over a 2012 based on the $1K incentive and the price jumps. I need to check out Tread Lightly as save me another @$430.00 I think.

I have to admit to this giving me pause on whether a 2012 makes sense especially since in 2 to 3 years I will likely switch vehicles.

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Update - just got an email from the dealer, they are proposing that I pay $895.00 shipping. I don't think that's a smart deal for me. If I didn't have a trade in to deal with, I would simply fly down and drive it back. I'm sure that dealer who has had it 90 days would go well below invoice right now. Sigh.... maybe I just wait for the green on a 2012 and see if I like the color.

Anybody think this is a good deal for me?
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

A deal is a good deal if you think it is. With that said, where are you located in updstate NY? You said the one they located was 700 miles away and they are going to ship it to your dealership for $895? How much over KBB are they offering you on your trade? It will help if we have all the data to make a conclusive determination on whether it's a good deal based on what others are getting.

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Well we are now down to brass tacks.... The dealer refuses to go below invoice which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That said, I think the trade in number they have given me is excellent and makes up for the lack of below invoice $$$. I guess things even out.

There has been a suggestion of charging me something to get the vehicle transported to NY - I will not agree to that. Waiting for their answer on that.

Appears that getting the 2011 saves me @$2,500.00 over a 2012 based on the $1K incentive and the price jumps. I need to check out Tread Lightly as save me another @$430.00 I think.

I have to admit to this giving me pause on whether a 2012 makes sense especially since in 2 to 3 years I will likely switch vehicles.

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Update - just got an email from the dealer, they are proposing that I pay $895.00 shipping. I don't think that's a smart deal for me. If I didn't have a trade in to deal with, I would simply fly down and drive it back. I'm sure that dealer who has had it 90 days would go well below invoice right now. Sigh.... maybe I just wait for the green on a 2012 and see if I like the color.

Anybody think this is a good deal for me?
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:40 PM
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

I had a Moss Green JeepGC (mid 90s) that I loved. Have seen other green variants that I have NOT liked at all (forest green) in the years since.

The 2011 comes very close to the Green that I loved - so was my first choice.

Color choice is important to me - I need to love it/like it for a long time.
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

First - I appreciate all the help!

I'm in Rochester, NY.

KBB says my trade is worth $20,975.00 for Excellent and $19,675.00 for Good. I would say my vehicle condition is in between. Had trade values from a couple of other dealers - $17K and $19K. Might be time to check out some more. Both of these other dealers were selling their vehicles for $200.00 under invoice. A trade in of $20,500.00 translates to $22,140.00 because of the tax savings so private sales makes zero sense in this case.

This same dealer has offered to order me a 2012 and sell at invoice with the same trade in. But.... of course that still comes in at a $2,500 premium over the 2011 and who knows what on the color.
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

This is why you gotta negotiate the price of vehicle first and get them as low as you can at a price you like and then let them know that you have a trade or they play numbers games with you. Since they're giving you 1500 more for your trade than the second highest, that translates to 1500 under invoice on your purchase. People are getting that off 2012s right now and if his vehicle has been sitting on the lot for over 90 days he should be really motivated to get rid of it due to holdback and paying taxes etc. I feel like you can do better but if you're happy with the deal and it's what you want, only you can make that choice.

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First - I appreciate all the help!

I'm in Rochester, NY.

KBB says my trade is worth $20,975.00 for Excellent and $19,675.00 for Good. I would say my vehicle condition is in between. Had trade values from a couple of other dealers - $17K and $19K. Might be time to check out some more. Both of these other dealers were selling their vehicles for $200.00 under invoice. A trade in of $20,500.00 translates to $22,140.00 because of the tax savings so private sales makes zero sense in this case.

This same dealer has offered to order me a 2012 and sell at invoice with the same trade in. But.... of course that still comes in at a $2,500 premium over the 2011 and who knows what on the color.
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This is why you gotta negotiate the price of vehicle first and get them as low as you can at a price you like and then let them know that you have a trade or they play numbers games with you. Since they're giving you 1500 more for your trade than the second highest, that translates to 1500 under invoice on your purchase. People are getting that off 2012s right now and if his vehicle has been sitting on the lot for over 90 days he should be really motivated to get rid of it due to holdback and paying taxes etc. I feel like you can do better but if you're happy with the deal and it's what you want, only you can make that choice.
I agree, you would think there would be motivation by the NC dealer to get the car up here cheap. So we are $895 apart at this point.
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

Sounds to me like a reasonable deal, except for the pickup charge. I would offer $400 and stand firm. Don't be afraid to walk away. It's the end of month and they will be looking to deal. They just won't make it easy.
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

+1 I always try and buy my vehicles at the end of the month because often times they're motivated to make a quota to get extra money and they often times have extra incentives. When I bought my Ram I had done my homework with pricing, rebates, incentives, holdback etc. and came up with a number. To my surprise the dealer came back with a best offer of $1500 below even that! When I called I told them flat out, I'm ready to buy today if we can agree on a number before I came in. I told him of all the rebates and holdback I was aware of and gave him his chance (this was their fleet manager...I don't deal with salesmen) and he put me on hold a few minutes and came and gave me his number. I said ok, drove and picked it up. Stand firm indeed.

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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

Well so here we are.... I offered to split the $895 delivery. They just came back to me and said they couldn't cause they were paying the other dealer invoice - I don't know how that could be possible between dealers especially for a 2011 that has been sitting there for almost 90 days.... Doesn't seem good to me.
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Re: 2011 or 2012 Overland? Paint choice consideration

They are paying the other dealer's invoice, which includes the original freight charge. That charge is also included on the sticker and charged to the customer. The issue here is that they apparently want to charge you another $895 on top of the original freight charge to pick up the vehicle. That seems excessive. I wouldn't pay that much.
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