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Old 05-13-2012, 09:10 PM
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

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And if I'm not mistaken U.S. vehicles don't have DRLs anyway, so what's the problem?
All U.S. 2011/2012 Grand Cherokee Limited/Overland/SRTs have DRLs.
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

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I think it's obvious you are MORE visible with DRL's then without. It's a fact it will and has saved lives, not many but still........could be yours.
And turning on the headlamps instead of drl does lower the mpg, again not much, but still......
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It's a lot easier to make a one size fits all standard rather than try to account for some guy who drives in the middle of nowhere with no other vehicles around.

And if I'm not mistaken U.S. vehicles don't have DRLs anyway, so what's the problem?
Two points.

On one size fits all; then we should just all be forced to take the bus. There will always be someone out there to that will do something stupid with what is available, no matter how much good intention is engineered into a product. We can't legally eliminante stupid.

On the U.S.; DRLs are not required by law but a few manufacturers are deciding to not only offer them as optional-at-order or optional-by-the-driver-configurations but also standard with no way of turning them off.

As a matter of fact, it used to be up to the individual US States for headlight laws and in many States it was illegal to run your headlights during te daytime unless you were in a police vehicle, school bus, firetruck, other emergency vehicle or part of a funeral procession. It was considered rude and an offensive driving tactic to do so in a personal vehicle.
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

The attitude to DRL's seems to be as smart as the argument for not wearing seatbelts.
I am sure you can find a study that says wearing them is more dangerous, but I mean really......
It seems that people do not like a standard safety feature, why not disconnect the airbags with the DRL's and test your natural selection theory.
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

If you are referring to my post about driving without DRL's and a seatbelt, then you are missing the point completely. I know the average city dweller needs their headlights on at all times, and chimes and flashing lights to tell them to wear their seatbelts. How could they be expected to think of this for themself when they are so busy talking on the cell phone, texting while driving, and watching thier GPS? In my life, I don't have those distractions. I don't need DRL's so I pulled the relays. I don't need seats belt lights & chimes when all I'm doing is opening ranch gates, so I disabled them as best I could. When it comes time to turn onto the highway, I always use my seatbelt. Hard to imagine that someone could make these decisions for themself when we've become so used to having regulations make these decisions for us?
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

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It's a lot easier to make a one size fits all standard rather than try to account for some guy who drives in the middle of nowhere with no other vehicles around.

And if I'm not mistaken U.S. vehicles don't have DRLs anyway, so what's the problem?

we have DRLs, but it's not required by law
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:52 AM
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

Understood, that's why I disabled mine as a personal preference for my type of use, so no problem with me. I just like having the choice. I'd also like to get rid of the annoying (driver seatbelt not buckled) on the display but can't get that one to go away.
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

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All U.S. 2011/2012 Grand Cherokee Limited/Overland/SRTs have DRLs.
So do Laredo's with the All Weather Package. That is what mine has and the DRL are activated.

Personally, I like them and have found on certain roads they increase vehicles being able to see me (more a bright sunny days than the cloudy day issue).

As for the manufacturer's/regulators putting all the bells/whistles on the vehicle, you can thank the lawyers. Manufacturer's do the minimum to meet government regulations, protect their bottom line (lawsuits) and then finally meet consumer requirements to be competitive in the market place. They are corporations and should be profit driven.
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...why not disconnect the airbags with the DRL's and test your natural selection theory.

As a matter of fact, I'd love to disconnect my airbags.

There has not been any good data that shows that airbags used with seat belts are that much better than seat belts alone. In fact, all the airbag deaths and injuries after initial implementation only served to get people to wear seat belts in order to prevent airbag injuries. It would have been cheaper and faster to simply apply dog collar studs/spikes to dash pads to get people to use seat belts.

My preference to disdain DRLs is also routed in that car headlights during the day can "hide" pedestrians, bicyclists, pets and other obstacles that are not equipped with "headlights" because the DRL equipped cars draw the attention of other drivers more than those other unlit obstacles.
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

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If you are referring to my post about driving without DRL's and a seatbelt, then you are missing the point completely. I know the average city dweller needs their headlights on at all times, and chimes and flashing lights to tell them to wear their seatbelts. How could they be expected to think of this for themself when they are so busy talking on the cell phone, texting while driving, and watching thier GPS? In my life, I don't have those distractions. I don't need DRL's so I pulled the relays. I don't need seats belt lights & chimes when all I'm doing is opening ranch gates, so I disabled them as best I could. When it comes time to turn onto the highway, I always use my seatbelt. Hard to imagine that someone could make these decisions for themself when we've become so used to having regulations make these decisions for us?
And from an insurance perspective you are a problem and why the government pushes so hard to force behavior changes. While another car is not your danger all kinds of other incidents could warrant a seat belt. For example, lose of a tire at 30 mph on a ranch road that pulls you into a ditch and the vehicle rolls. While statistically low, the seat belt would protect you.
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

Some kid just died in a roll over near my parents house this weekend. He was not wearing a seat belt.
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Re: 2011 overland headlights

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It's a lot easier to make a one size fits all standard rather than try to account for some guy who drives in the middle of nowhere with no other vehicles around.

And if I'm not mistaken U.S. vehicles don't have DRLs anyway, so what's the problem?
Now you're just being silly! Of course we have DRLs why on earth would mostly US Jeepers be having this conversation if we didn't? I don't see them when I'm driving so they don't bother me and I am glad that on a dark rainy/foggy day or at dusk that most new vehicles have them because there are far too many people driving around without any lights and they all have the same dumb oblivious look on their faces.
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