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Old 03-14-2011, 07:49 PM
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Re: 2011 Touareg

I thought about it because I really wanted a diesel and already had 3 GCs. But after seeing the Touareg, I'm glad I went with Jeep again. It looks smaller than the GC, and fully optioned with a diesel, it's about $13,000 more than the Overland V8 here in Canada even before the 13% sales tax.
I've had my Overland for 5 monthe now and I still am very pleased.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:04 PM
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Re: 2011 Touareg

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I thought about it because I really wanted a diesel and already had 3 GCs. But after seeing the Touareg, I'm glad I went with Jeep again. It looks smaller than the GC, and fully optioned with a diesel, it's about $13,000 more than the Overland V8 here in Canada even before the 13% sales tax.
I've had my Overland for 5 monthe now and I still am very pleased.
How much smaller is it?
I was thinking of going to Owasco and take it for a test drive, then slip into Menzies and size it up next to a WK2.
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:13 AM
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Re: 2011 Touareg

Hmm, the touareg II is not that much smaller

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Touareg: 4794/1940/1709 -- 580/1642 liter Cargo Volume
JGC: 4822/1943/1764 -- 782/1554 liter Cargo Volume
LR4: 4829/1915/1887 -- 1192/2558 liter Cargo Volume
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Re: 2011 Touareg

For those commenting on the smaller perceived size, it actually has slightly more cargo space than the Grand Cherokee.
I like the looks of the GC more but I like the engine and transmission choices better on the Touareg.
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Re: 2011 Touareg

The electrical issues on the Touareg/Cayenne/Q7 are legendary as is the intermediate shaft and on the Cayenne V8, a hidden water hose under the intake that requires you to take most of the top end of the motor off to service. However, most of those issues were in the '03/'04 model year and while some lingered the intermediate rework in '08 followed by the full rework for 2011 make those issues obsolete (meaning they aren't relevant)

The Touareg/Cayenne/Q7 is a great vehicle, it raised the bar for many as the initial offerings from the other European car makers were mere crossovers in comparison. The problem with the 2011's and the neutering of the offroad capabilities (mostly in the US) it pure marketing 101. As I hear it 95% of the owners surveyed reported that they only want or need AWD, the true dual range 4WD systems were a waste and they would rather have that money back to use for option packages or a cheaper vehicle. VW isn't stupid, they will build the car people want and the masses have spoken, there's simply not enough of a market in the US to support the full blown offroad package. That doesn't mean it can't be added to the mix in an upcoming year since it is offered in the ROW vehicles.

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4xmotion vs. 4motion and SUV features: 4xmotion was standard on 2010 and earlier cars but 2011 models will only have 4motion. 4xmotion is available on new Touareg outside of North American with the tech terrain package. 4motion uses a torsion limited slip differential and there's no low range. Climb rating is only 31o. 4xmotion adds a stronger transfer case and low range gear (2.69:1) for the differentials with 100% locking and increases climbing range to 45o. The default power split is 40:60 F:R. Some other features:
-Approach and departure angle: 26o. Breakover angle: 21o. Lateral driving angle: 35o. Static angle and max gradient: 45o.
-Hill descent assist: when you lift off the accelerator and the car is at speeds slower than 12 mph, slopes greater than 20%, and ESP is on, descent assist brakes the good wheels if one wheel loses traction to prevent the car from rolling down faster and speeding up.
-Hill climb assist: this is a hill holder which prevents the car from rolling backwards on a hill after you release the brakes and before you press on the accelerator.
-Traction control brakes slipping wheels at a stop or very low speeds to gain traction.
-19.6" fording depth (4xmotion only)
-The locking center differential is a planetary gearset that uses electric locking of the clutch packs.(4xmotion only)
-Deeper oil pan: The engine oil pan is cast aluminum with a steel bottom. The steel bottom is deeper than other engines that use this engine (those models aren't sold in North America) and has an internal baffle. This makes sure the oil pick up tube stays immersed in oil on steep inclines.
Oh, having been an owner of a Cayenne and Touareg I see a lot of their influence in the WK2. I firmly believe that as the initial designs were being worked the VW was a target vehicle for Mercedes and hence Jeep.
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Re: 2011 Touareg

My business partner had a V10 TDI Touareg and I loved that car. But taking out the low range was a bummer, but the killer for me is the new styling...I just don't like it at all. I've pretty much narrowed my choices down to the JGC, Toyota Land Cruiser, and Infiniti QX....if GM would ever get off its ass and offer a Suburban 2500 with the new Duramax they'd have my deposit today though.
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My business partner had a V10 TDI Touareg and I loved that car. But taking out the low range was a bummer, but the killer for me is the new styling...I just don't like it at all. I've pretty much narrowed my choices down to the JGC, Toyota Land Cruiser, and Infiniti QX....if GM would ever get off its ass and offer a Suburban 2500 with the new Duramax they'd have my deposit today though.

I had two guys come buy and look at a used Mercedes I am selling. One of them happened to be from Dubai. He instantly recognized the 2011 QX from the side as the 2010 Nissan Patrol and told me that they are extremely sought after in the middle east for their durability and ability to handle extreme terrain (all while carrying a harem). He was amazed that I had one sitting in my driveway and could not get over the new interior, as the older Patrols were more spartan. In any case, I put 1000 miles in 2 weeks and this 2011 QX56 has been impeccable. If you opt for a QX, the Deluxe Touring with hydraulic suspension is a must. The QX is built entirely in Japan, so I expect the already limited production will become more limited and pricing will go up.

Land Cruiser is always a great standard and the JGC is definitely a huge bargain.

As for the Touareg and VW not being stupid.... can we say Phaeton. I think the new U.S. Touareg looks nice, has a simple but quality interior and a some solid engine choices. That being said, the price tag coupled with its castration, has turned the U.S. Touareg into another grocery hauler competing against a pretty crowded and and competitive segment. Furthermore, it competes against the base Cayenne.

IMO, the Touareg sans 4XMotion makes it too expensive for a VW and lacking anything really special. That isn't to say it's a bad car, but as it is, I would be considering many cars before the Touareg if I wanted more of a pure road oriented SUV.
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How much smaller is it?
I was thinking of going to Owasco and take it for a test drive, then slip into Menzies and size it up next to a WK2.
It's my perception that the interior is smaller. I don't have figures. But you're right in taking a direct look for yourself.

BTW, we probably live in the same neighborhood.
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It's my perception that the interior is smaller. I don't have figures. But you're right in taking a direct look for yourself.

BTW, we probably live in the same neighborhood.
I'd say a little bigger than the JGC. The Cayenne feels smaller because of those front seat hand grips, but the Touareg is pretty good for a 5 seater. I think the back seat moves back a few inches too.
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Re: 2011 Touareg

I had an '05 V8 Touareg that was great. Bulletproof really. Had low-range, air suspension, teak leather (which is just like saddle), xenons, etc. In reality, it's just like the new Overland I just bought. In fact, had VW not de-contented them so much in 2011, I probably would be in a new now. If Chrysler got smart and brought a diesel to the states, then the Jeep would have been a far easier choice.

Anyone wanna buy a well cared-for 2005 Touareg with 165,000 miles?
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It's my perception that the interior is smaller. I don't have figures. But you're right in taking a direct look for yourself.

BTW, we probably live in the same neighborhood.
I went by Owasco (after visiting the dentist) and had a good look. They had a black Execline TDI fully jammed with saddle interior on the lot. Fit and finish looks really good. It did look smaller. Doesn't look as long and defiantly the rear seats are smaller.
Great diesel and 8-speed tranny... I hope chrysler pulls their thumbs outta their a$$es and get the diesel and 8-speed out for 2012 in North America cause I can't wait too much longer.

I lived in Whitby for 13 years (Taunton & Brock), five years ago I moved to Port Perry.
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