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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

This price difference is more evident in offroad packages. Not so much in other models, which is the way my car is configured, without offroad package.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

Oh jeeeez....

thats like comparing 2013 vs 2012...

cmon guys this is nonsense.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

I have to agree with White Chocolate, this post is nonsense. I'm in the market for a WK2 and will definitely wait for a mid to late 2012 Overland.

If you're good at car buying, you're not going to pay MSRP anyways. If you did, I'm sorry!
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

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Oh jeeeez....

thats like comparing 2013 vs 2012...

cmon guys this is nonsense.
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I have to agree with White Chocolate, this post is nonsense. I'm in the market for a WK2 and will definitely wait for a mid to late 2012 Overland.

If you're good at car buying, you're not going to pay MSRP anyways. If you did, I'm sorry!
It's not nonsense. If you've already made up your mind then move on don't read the thread and be happy with your purchase. The point of the post was to point out for those still trying to decide between a 2011 and 2012 Overland what the differences could be especially if you were looking at the ORAG II as well. There's no disputing the numbers but in the end it's up to each person to decide. This forum is about sharing information not posting condescending posts that add no value.
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This price difference is more evident in offroad packages. Not so much in other models, which is the way my car is configured, without offroad package.
Yeah as I said earlier, the ORAG II adds $720 but the difference between pre May 2nd build 2011s and the 2012s is still $1085 plus $45 destination plus the $1000 rebate currently offered on the 2011s. Granted, I've only done the math on the Overland 4X4 since that is the trim level I'm looking at. It could be less of a difference on the other trim levels..I haven't checked. Without ORAG II, it's still currently $2330 (or $1865 if you subtract $465 if you planned on getting the RHR since it's included in the 2012 Overlands). Furthermore the difference is less if you're buying a 2011 post May 2nd build (subtract another $45 for destination and $385 for base price = $1435).
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Yeah as I said earlier, the ORAG II adds $720 but the difference between pre May 2nd build 2011s and the 2012s is still $1085 plus $45 destination plus the $1000 rebate currently offered on the 2011s. Granted, I've only done the math on the Overland 4X4 since that is the trim level I'm looking at. It could be less of a difference on the other trim levels..I haven't checked. Without ORAG II, it's still currently $2330 (or $1865 if you subtract $465 if you planned on getting the RHR since it's included in the 2012 Overlands). Furthermore the difference is less if you're buying a 2011 post May 2nd build (subtract another $45 for destination and $385 for base price = $1435).
Not to bring back the dead, but just to clarify, the difference is less since you gain back some of that money during resale, so you are basically saving very little in my opinion in the long run. So the numbers you present theoretically don't mean anything until you are ready to sell your car. Only then, the real numbers come out so it is all speculation at this point.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

You need to remember that the 730N RHR Navigation system is standard on 2012 Overlands and included in the base price for 2012.

It's a $465 option on 2011 Overlands.

Also, what matters is the invoice price, not the MSRP.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

Hem,
I agree with everything you are saying, especially the ORAII pgk....we have both shared threads about this before...but sometimes you just have to pull the trigger. For me, after a truly miserable experience at a jeep dealership in Escondido, CA, i just said the proverbial F*** it, and preordered the 2012 from another dealer. Yes, i am paying 1.5k or whatever more, but i will be getting what i want. With these fleet buying programs, most of the dealers in socal aren't super helpful, and i couldn't find the exact car i wanted in 2011 anyway. Besides, its going to take 2 months to build and deliver the beast....those 2 months of not having car payments cancel out the price difference! Yes, i know this isn't exactly accurate, but it makes me feel better...

The 2012 vs 2011 argument on resale value is also a good one, especially if you don't keep your car for a long time (my last/current car is 15 years old, so i guess the point is moot for me...)
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

this issue comes up for every car make every year during this time. also, a manufacturer increasing the base price is not a first either. so its not like we are reinventing the wheel here. for example i had a 98 bmw m3 which stickered for 43k, and now the new m3 costs nearly 60k. so every year there is an increase with inflation and market adjustments as necessary.
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this issue comes up for every car make every year during this time. also, a manufacturer increasing the base price is not a first either. so its not like we are reinventing the wheel here. for example i had a 98 bmw m3 which stickered for 43k, and now the new m3 costs nearly 60k. so every year there is an increase with inflation and market adjustments as necessary.
Your M3 example is apples and oranges. The new M3 is a different vehicle from the 98 - different chassis, different engine, etc. Not surprising of course, given the time spread.

What HEMInator was pointing out was that the 2011 and 2012 models are almost the exact same vehicle (although jgc4ever did note the radio change for the non-Summit Overland). Given that fact, he then presented some numbers that might help someone that is on the fence between getting a 2011 and ordering a 2012.

Most sensible posters on this thread have pointed out that people's desires vary and that things like how long you have to intend to keep the vehicle and whether you can find what you want in a 2011 will have a lot to do with your decision.

So HEMInator put some information out there that may or not be useful to some people - it certainly wasn't misleading.

For those who casually dismissed the thread - you either missed the point or had no interest. It would've been a good time to move on not offer a comment. Save your criticism for when someone posts something that's actually factually wrong.
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Your M3 example is apples and oranges. The new M3 is a different vehicle from the 98 - different chassis, different engine, etc. Not surprising of course, given the time spread.

What HEMInator was pointing out was that the 2011 and 2012 models are almost the exact same vehicle (although jgc4ever did note the radio change for the non-Summit Overland). Given that fact, he then presented some numbers that might help someone that is on the fence between getting a 2011 and ordering a 2012.

Most sensible posters on this thread have pointed out that people's desires vary and that things like how long you have to intend to keep the vehicle and whether you can find what you want in a 2011 will have a lot to do with your decision.

So HEMInator put some information out there that may or not be useful to some people - it certainly wasn't misleading.

For those who casually dismissed the thread - you either missed the point or had no interest. It would've been a good time to move on not offer a comment. Save your criticism for when someone posts something that's actually factually wrong.
True, but the issue nonetheless comes up again next year as well, around this time. Annual market adjustments especially for big corporations are part of life...
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True, but the issue nonetheless comes up again next year as well, around this time. Annual market adjustments especially for big corporations are part of life...
No argument there. Quite frankly, I think Jeep is ratcheting up the pricing because they can. Much to their surprise and delight, the Overland took a chunk of market share from higher-end SUVs and Jeep ended up building a lot more of the top-end (and more profitable) part of the line.

I know that for me, it was a no brainer to buy my Summit vs a BMW X5 (and I'm quite a bimmerphile) - of course a lot of that was because I want to actually go off-road ... but even for street use, the Overland deserves a look against the much higher-priced competition.

Jeep still has work to do in the overall customer experience (as has been well-documented in this forum). A modest increase in the high-end model pricing isn't going to cost them customers - what will eventually make or break them is getting the dealerships to buy into modern standards for customer service.

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