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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

I guess I need to decide if the if ELSD is really worth it if I'm really not doing any off road stuff just dealing with 4 season here in the Midwest.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

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No, just responding to capatalist. Sorry if it doesn't fit this thread.
Got it..sorry I read it wrong
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I guess I need to decide if the if ELSD is really worth it if I'm really not doing any off road stuff just dealing with 4 season here in the Midwest.
Capitalist,

Others will offer their opinion of course but I insisted on having the 3.92 w/ LSD on my 2009 Dodge Ram because of how much it helps in snow and rain and I realize it's a difference vehicle, but to me it was an important factor. For you it may or not be but it just stinks they paired ELSD with the ORAG II instead of it being standard on the V8 4X4 Overland especially considering the Summit gets it standard.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

For me, one of the reasons i got the vehicle over a competitor was the ability to easily get the rear ELSD as well as the 18 inch wheels. I like the high profile tires for wheeling. So i was always going to get both options.

My guess is that personally, i am over reaching. As much as i might wish it not to be, my aggressive off road use as gone down every year i have been married! I am sure a vehicle without ELSD would be fine, but knowing i don't have it would bother me. Your mileage will vary...
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:05 PM
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

I'm still curious if the ORAGII includes the ESD for a V6 - if not, then the price increase is outrageous IMO. But if so ... then how do they reconcile the earlier statements by the engineers that the V6 driveline wasn't compatible with the ELSD.

Regarding 18s vs 20s - The main reason to get 20s because you like the looks - the 18s will greatly outperform 20s in off road conditions and be more comfortable on road. (A possible exception to this would be the SRT which might be able to be driven aggressively enough so that the lower profile of the 20s would help in cornering traction.)
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

Oh yeah - forgot to mention that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to package the ELSD with the ORA II group anyway. All 4x4 GJCs are suitable for a certain amount of off road use, and the ELSD would be handy for mud, snow, etc.

The ORA II package (tow hooks, skids, 18" tires) is oriented for more challenging off-road conditions. When you are in those conditions, you will likely need to use 4 LO - in which case the ELSD is not used.

Just more silly stuff from the Jeep Marketing dept I guess.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

netcoolery,
why wouldn't the elsd not engage for 4 lo?
and what would be there reason for this?
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netcoolery,
why wouldn't the elsd not engage for 4 lo?
and what would be there reason for this?
Because 4 LO locks the diffs - both wheels turn at the same rate. Very helpful when doing stuff like crawling over rocks.

Think of it as an "Extremely limited slip (none) differential"
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I'm still curious if the ORAGII includes the ESD for a V6...
Nope, Hemi only.
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Because 4 LO locks the diffs - both wheels turn at the same rate. Very helpful when doing stuff like crawling over rocks.

Think of it as an "Extremely limited slip (none) differential"
But aren't we talking about two different things?
If 4 lo locks the diff's, aren't we talking about locking the center differential, so that the front and rear's turn at the same speed.
The ELSD would be trying to ensure that the both the left and right rear wheels are turning at the same speed, or that one is not spinning...like a rear locker.

Or am i confused?
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But aren't we talking about two different things?
If 4 lo locks the diff's, aren't we talking about locking the center differential, so that the front and rear's turn at the same speed.
The ELSD would be trying to ensure that the both the left and right rear wheels are turning at the same speed, or that one is not spinning...like a rear locker.

Or am i confused?
Either that or I was confused - seems I read the user's manual too quickly. You are right, the 4 LO locks the front to rear.

Gonna have to do a bit more reading, or maybe a forum member with a better understanding can chime in here.
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Re: 2011 vs. 2012 = 2011 is Winner

Lets use my beast as an example. (1997 land rover discovery)
I can engage 4wd lo to get the lower gears
I can also lock my center differential, which locks the front and rear axles.
But, unless i have an aftermarket locker, i can still spin side to side, but not front and back.

For the Jeep, traction control/break modulation aside, i believe the system will lock the center diff. (not sure how, by engaging low or the terrain selects or automatically, unsure). But, unless you have elsd, my assumption would be you could still spin a tire...

Again, i have no experience with modern traction control systems, so i am curious as to how jeep handles this...perhaps i will draft a new post
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