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Re: 2011 WK: Garmin navigation

The antenna is removable. I do not have the little one that you show on the left.
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:04 AM
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It could be the internals of the headunit's preamp and DACs that would definitely lead to a better audio quality. There are also some converters for MP3s that digest the compressed format and then spit out a signal similar to what was the full frequency form prior to the compression. Some of those things could be installed within a new headunit.
You can't put back data that isn't there; there's just no way to make a 128k MP3 rip sound anything like a lossless. As for DACs, they make much less difference than most people think, and in a noisy environment like a vehicle (not just exterior noise, but all kinds of funky acoustic conditions), you just won't hear a difference unless the current unit is absolute garbage. If you concentrate that hard on the music while you're driving, you're likely to turn the entire vehicle into a percussion instrument anyway.
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I'm not sure how it would have that- if it isn't going to support HD sources (DVD-Audio), have better speakers or amplifiers, from whence will the improvement come?

Audio quality from a system has to do with the source material, the speakers, the acoustic environment, and the amplification. While there's more variables than those, those four are the main contributors, and amplification is a DISTANT fourth. A bad source won't sound good on the best speakers. A great source and awesome amps are worthless if the speakers are crap. Awesome speakers mean little if the environment is too noisy to hear detail. Get those four in line, and in an automobile, you're just not going to hear any differences in D/A converters. Not going to happen. The engineers designing it might call it an improvement, but I'd bet it's theoretical, not actually noticeable.
Believe me, as an audiophile, I understand and agree with all that you're saying. But since Milous seems to be a person in-the-know, maybe there will be better speakers or amps etc. That is why the RHR is what's holding me back from ordering my Overland. Like I said, Milous stated in his post that the RHR will have better audio.
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Re: 2011 WK: Garmin navigation

In the wk with the premium audio system, all audio is sent to the amplifier as a digital signal. If the headunit (mygig) senses the amplifier on the CAN bus, it does not output analog and would not use the DACs in the head unit. If it does not detect an amplifier on the bus, it uses its built in DACs and built in amplifier. I would imagine the WK2 would likely be the same, and hence the amplifier or DACs available in the headunit would not matter.
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Believe me, as an audiophile, I understand and agree with all that you're saying. But since Milous seems to be a person in-the-know, maybe there will be better speakers or amps etc. That is why the RHR is what's holding me back from ordering my Overland. Like I said, Milous stated in his post that the RHR will have better audio.
Maybe they're using Monster Cables...
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You can't put back data that isn't there...
True about the 128k and below, but there are algorithms like Denon's Restorer that will extend the lows and highs to produce a better sounding rendition. I would imagine these are licensed chips at this point, so why not try for it. Agreed though about the auto environment, but with the advances in acoustic isolation that everyone talks about for the WK2, why not try for a better audio system. Now, we could discuss why the younger generation seems to want larger content on a player rather than sound quality!!!
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well...I prefer the Harmon to the toystory like garmin
+1! I couldn't agree more about the nav interface!

As for the audio quality, a true audiophile will either rip out the entire system and replace it with something considerably better (which I personally don't think is available in mobile audio) or listen to their music at home. I've listened to systems from B&O, BA, Alpine, Sony, Bose (ugh!), Nakamichi(showing my age here), et al. and think that we've reached the limits of mobile audio. Sure, you can add a 2K watt amp and really thump the bass, but that's not what real audiophiles are listening for.

IMO, mobile audio is just what I'm willing to put up with until I get home. That's where the music sounds best, and it will probably always be that way.

Those that were on the fence about ordering their Jeep because of a radio, let's get real! It's just a radio!!! And we're talking about a vehicle that is an American made competitor to any luxury SUV out there, particularly Land Rover. Come on folks!! Time for a reality check!!
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+1! I couldn't agree more about the nav interface!

As for the audio quality, a true audiophile will either rip out the entire system and replace it with something considerably better (which I personally don't think is available in mobile audio) or listen to their music at home. I've listened to systems from B&O, BA, Alpine, Sony, Bose (ugh!), Nakamichi(showing my age here), et al. and think that we've reached the limits of mobile audio. Sure, you can add a 2K watt amp and really thump the bass, but that's not what real audiophiles are listening for.

IMO, mobile audio is just what I'm willing to put up with until I get home. That's where the music sounds best, and it will probably always be that way.

Those that were on the fence about ordering their Jeep because of a radio, let's get real! It's just a radio!!! And we're talking about a vehicle that is an American made competitor to any luxury SUV out there, particularly Land Rover. Come on folks!! Time for a reality check!!
Ummm, I listen to music primarily in my car so I want the best possible nav/radio. And since I'll be buying the Overland instead of leasing, I want the best of everything. What is wrong with that?
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Re: 2011 WK: Garmin navigation

Now it looks like they added all the late features and I can't get the 730N. I want the 730 for the traffic aspect. Houston is hard to get around when there is an accident and you have no idea how far down the road it is. I had live traffic on a portable garmin and it saved quite a few head aches.
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Re: 2011 WK: Garmin navigation

the small one on the left is for sat tv
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Re: 2011 WK: Garmin navigation

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The WK2Jeeps.com navigation web page has just been updated to confirm that the new RHR radio will have Harmon based navigation and not Garmin.
Milous, thanks a million for the info! Meant no bad with the "ambiguous" term, just that I was trying to read into everything to root out a "confirmation". You're the man.

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Oh man, this is REALLY bad news for me. As I had posted before, RHR was the only reason I was holding off on ordering my Overland. So what am I to do now, just get it with the 430N? I wanna cry.
Morbeas, I'm crushed, too. I so wanted the RHR to be Garmin. Guess I'll go out and buy an Overland tomorrow (with a 430N RHB). + Bittersweet.

I've used both Harmon and Garmin elsewhere. IMHO, Garmin is more intuitive and smooth, and the potential Garmin brings seems so much greater given their existing GPS capabilities like satellite/topo/georeferenced-custom overlays, loadable custom (not just searchable) POIs, way better routing, way better spoken directions, lane assist, updates, traffic rerouting, etc, etc. At least I can get the 430N RHB.

Anyway, thanks for this site!
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