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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion investigated by Feds

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They did design, patent and bring to market the new polystable shifter for the 2016.

Their new polystable shifter will probably prove to be metastable, like the old one. I have a '14 Overland diesel and my buddy was backing up my JGC and trailer. He had two comments 1) your shifter is crap, and, 2) this thing has a TON of power!

He has a diesel Touareg and a diesel F-250 super duty. He'a driven all kinds of cars all over the world and used to race Porsches.

When I'm backing up my trailer (like he was doing), it's extremely difficult to always get the right gear. Not many choices, but still difficult. I can totally see how driver induced error, regardless of how long you've owned your vehicle, will be a continuing problem. It's an extremely poor design.

OTH, the paddle shifters are awesome and makes towing on steep twisting roads a whole lot easier than a lot of other, similar vehicles.

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Old 03-01-2016, 08:18 PM
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

O.K. first off I'll admit to shifting my car into reverse in a parking lot when attempting to find Park. Got out of the car to remove something from behind the car and when I got back in realized in was in reverse. Thank goodness I used the parking brake. That said, exactly what problem did the electronic shifter solve in the 14 and 15 models? All the manufacturers are changing things for the sake of change. It's just like the electronic door mechanisms in the C5-C7 Corvettes. Then they had to design manual door releases on both sides on the floor to open the doors when you have a complete power failure!!! I like new stuff, but this shifter is just plain stupid and don't forget we are talking about Fiat here and their past successes in the states ought to help to explain these kinds of decisions. I hate that shifter and hope they fix it--CE
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:16 PM
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion investigated by Feds

The shifter had a loud clunk in my 2012. It made the Jeep seem like junk. There was a fix for it that I had done that took care of it though, although it still made a little noise.


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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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I learned how to use it almost right way too. But that's mainly my point here, we had to LEARN a new procedure on how to select gears in an automatic. Ive owned only 3 cars prior and never for a split second did i have to think about how to shift my automatic. Its understandable for a person to adapt to having a giant touch screen that controls everything, or basic switch placement on the door cards or console being different, but to expect people how to re learn a new procedure just to drive in automatic? That can take your average person time and when put in a panic/fast movement situation your going to have problems. You can't expect this shifter to go over well with out problems. It's getting to the point now where the physical shifter should be swapped for the newer style at the owners choice. I will admit that in the very beginning (in late 2013 coming out of an '08 WK for 6 years) I thought the new shifter was slick and modern. But after driving two of these WK2's over the past 2 years i can see where and why its problematic.

Scenario's like making a U-turn in live traffic, or even parallel parking can be daunting if not full focused. These types of situations cause the operator to have to double check gear selection or fall into the wrong gear (my case) and THAT'S what I mean by poor design and why people on here cant seem to admit mistakes they've made with this shifter.
I think the shifter is nice and very smooth and I have not had any issues using it. I think its better than any gated shifter I have had in the past. So that is my opinion. Just because you don't care for it or are having trouble using it doesn't mean everyone has to agree and admit to problems they are not having. I really don't know what else can be said on this issue. I mean it's a gear shift.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

Let me guess, people that grew up playing video games 5-6 hours a day for 10-15 years using a controller/joy stick love the shifter.........Most everyone else no so much.
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Let me guess, people that grew up playing video games 5-6 hours a day for 10-15 years using a controller/joy stick love the shifter.........Most everyone else no so much.
That would be a No from me. I'm a baby-boomer so I grew up with... actually no TV until the mid '70's let alone a gaming device. (NZ you understand - we were a bit behind)

I love the shifter on the MY14 Overland. I also have an MY15 KL as a comparison. I prefer the WK2 shifter over the KL any time.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

Never had a problem shifting in mine..
If you don't put the car in park you can't turn it off!
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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Let me guess, people that grew up playing video games 5-6 hours a day for 10-15 years using a controller/joy stick love the shifter.........Most everyone else no so much.
No for me as well, but I am decidedly in the generation of grew up on video games. In fact, I was ready to buy a car late last year and test drove a whole bunch of SUVs in the size class. I have to say initially I really liked the idea of having a more "futuristic" shifter - I really wanted to like it. But I was really disappointed by the Jeep joystick, so much so that I eliminated Jeep because of it. I even got it as a rental car for 5 days just to confirm since I really liked the Jeep otherwise. In fact, I really only found this site because I was hoping to get some background on how easy the joystick was to get used to - to see if I could ignore what my gut was telling me that I would regret having the shifter every time I went to drive it. However, when I saw they were fixing this for 16 I was excited as otherwise Jeep gave me a really great experience (especially with the V8), and then learning that the 17s were just around the corner with Android Auto I am just trying to bide my time until the fall. I didn't really like the X5's shifter either, but it wasn't as difficult as the one on the Jeep and I didn't throw out the X5 - so it wasn't the fact that it was different that was the problem - it just seemed very poorly executed.

I guess some people liked it (or perhaps didn't dislike it immensely?), but grouping by age would be wrong on either side of the assumption.
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Old 03-06-2016, 10:39 PM
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

I suppose this argument can go on forever. Everyone has their preferences. After driving my '14 for 3 years, when I drive something else, like my wife's Compass, or friend's Buick, their shifters feel clunky, and I'm glad to get back to mine. That's my personal preference.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

Clearly, Audi drivers are more competent than the subset of Jeep drivers bitching about the MY 2014-2015 shifter.



Story here on the new AUDI SQ7 TDI

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/audis-...d-z-1762857083
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Clearly, Audi drivers are more competent than the subset of Jeep drivers bitching about the MY 2014-2015 shifter.



Story here on the new AUDI SQ7 TDI

Audi's New V8 Is A Diesel With 663 LB-FT Of Torque And Zero Turbo Lag
That actually looks like a pretty good design compared to the WK2 2014/15 shifter.

The transition from DRIVE to REVERSE involves pushing the shifter ALL THE WAY Forward (probably while also pressing that button). So there doesn't appear to be a way someone could somehow go past REVERSE and accidentally land on PARK, which is very possible with our shifters.
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That actually looks like a pretty good design compared to the WK2 2014/15 shifter.

The transition from DRIVE to REVERSE involves pushing the shifter ALL THE WAY Forward (probably while also pressing that button). So there doesn't appear to be a way someone could somehow go past REVERSE and accidentally land on PARK, which is very possible with our shifters.
So now landing in Park and the car not moving is a problem? You guys just don't know how to spin the argument so it suits you. Oh it is ambiguous and one may not be in Park but in Reverse ... Oh it is ambiguous and end up in Neutral instead of Neutral...

On the Audi you now have two buttons to press: one to move the shifter, and another to set the car in Park. How's THAT not confusing and in line with the universally adopted PRND pattern?
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