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Old 03-09-2016, 12:13 AM
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

This is still my favorite shifter.
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Old 03-09-2016, 02:35 AM
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On my vehicle I don't need to click any buttons or look at the dash to confirm I'm in Park. I simply move the lever all the way forward. Why would I want to press a set of buttons and move the handle TWICE just to get into Reverse? Clearly, the BMW engineers do not understand the definition of "intuitive". Must be the same ones responsible for the iDrive mess.

An intuitively designed shifter should have a 0% learning curve, and not require manuals or videos to learn its operation. ANY driver should be able to get into the vehicle and instantly know how to change gears easily and quickly.
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Old 03-09-2016, 04:59 AM
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion investigated by Feds

I have no gripe over the shifter. It is quirky. On numerous occasions I have been in a rush and have selected reverse instead of park. Once I actually had the door half open and was starting to get out before I realized I had it in reverse. That was almost bad.
But, I have had the display get locked up on a certain gear- I'll be in D but the display still has R highlighted. This takes pulling over, selecting R, and then selecting D to fix.
Overall, 2.5 years and 50kmi and this is my most favorite of 43 vehicles owned since I started driving. So, meh, I'll pick my battles
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Re: Rinid?

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On my vehicle I don't need to click any buttons or look at the dash to confirm I'm in Park. I simply move the lever all the way forward. Why would I want to press a set of buttons and move the handle TWICE just to get into Reverse? Clearly, the BMW engineers do not understand the definition of "intuitive". Must be the same ones responsible for the iDrive mess.



An intuitively designed shifter should have a 0% learning curve, and not require manuals or videos to learn its operation. ANY driver should be able to get into the vehicle and instantly know how to change gears easily and quickly.

I agree the shifter should be designed to be just that a shifter. You don't need to click a release button on the shifter to move from park to drive on the jeep?
In a BMW moving the shifter forward is reverse and back is drive that's all there is no need to look at a display not sure what's so complicated about that.
Every navi-entertainment system requires a learning curve so does the one on the jeep which is far from ideal. Pointing out other cars and their faults is pointless especially when jeep has many faults, but if that somehow makes you feel better then go for it.
It's like getting a new oven and bitching about too many buttons, read the manual and learn how to use it.


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Old 03-09-2016, 07:07 AM
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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This is still my favorite shifter.
Try driving a manual transmission car from O'Hare International airport to Downtown Chicago (or in reverse direction), all 20 miles of it on a Friday evening. You will only need the first gear. You will quickly appreciate the lack of notable elevation changes and the virtues of automatic transmission. You will have plenty of opportunities in your two hour journey to make an appointment with a physiotherapist about your left knee and ankle pains.

I outgrew MT cars. As much as I enjoy the "hand job" of shifting through the gears of my Subaru, that is increasingly rare and relegated to those rare moments out of town, on those twisty mountain roads around Chicago. Oh wait...there's no mountains or twisty roads anywhere around Chicago for at least 150 miles.

MT cars are slower, less fuel efficient, and not permissive of modern safety and comfort technologies. They belong in a museum.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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MT cars are slower, less fuel efficient, and not permissive of modern safety and comfort technologies. They belong in a museum.
That's probably where I belong. Learned to drive back in the 60's in downtown Pittsburgh with a stick. I still enjoy using one. Never drove a vehicle anywhere near Chicago, but can imagine it's a pain no matter what you're driving. Different strokes for different folks.
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MT cars are slower, less fuel efficient, and not permissive of modern safety and comfort technologies. They belong in a museum.
Wait...what?

That's completely untrue. A good driver can get far better performance and fuel economy out of a manual transmission car than a similar automatic. Heck, I get far better gas mileage in my Jeep by shifting manually. I see at least a 2-3MPG drop in fuel economy letting the computer shift all the time, even in so-called eco mode.

As far as safety technologies, what safety technologies? You mean the ones that compensate for not paying attention to the fact you're supposed to be controlling a couple tons of rolling death? Maybe if people had to engage their vehicle by switching gears manually, they wouldn't be able to use that free hand to do more distracting tasks...
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I agree the shifter should be designed to be just that a shifter. You don't need to click a release button on the shifter to move from park to drive on the jeep?
In a BMW moving the shifter forward is reverse and back is drive that's all there is no need to look at a display not sure what's so complicated about that.
On of the key issues that has been brought up is how fast, and how easily can one go from Drive to Reverse in an emergency situation. In the BMW, as I understand it, you have to click the side buttons and move the shifter forward once, which gets you to Neutral, and then you have to repeat that operation one more time to get to Reverse.

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Every navi-entertainment system requires a learning curve so does the one on the jeep which is far from ideal.
When it comes to intuitiveness, ease of operation, function speed and features, the Jeep nav systems get glowing reviews and is considered by many to be one of the best vehicle nav systems out there.

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Pointing out other cars and their faults is pointless especially when jeep has many faults, but if that somehow makes you feel better then go for it.
Uhh, last I checked this thread is about shifter designs and how intuitive they are or are not. I did not point out the BMW shifter that I consider "flawed" just to "feel better". Sure, the Jeep may have many "faults", but when it comes to interior controls and functions, Jeep is near the top when it comes to how well controls are designed and how easy said controls are to use.

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It's like getting a new oven and bitching about too many buttons, read the manual and learn how to use it.
Obviously a new oven would be expected to have some sort of learning curve. The point I'm trying to make is that a shifter should NOT require a learning curve if designed properly.
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2014 Gear Shift Confusion

On of the key issues that has been brought up is how fast, and how easily can one go from Drive to Reverse in an emergency situation. In the BMW, as I understand it, you have to click the side buttons and move the shifter forward once, which gets you to Neutral, and then you have to repeat that operation one more time to get to Reverse.



For the initial drive off you need to hold the release/unlock button and move the shifter with addition of the brake pedal just like any other shifter, once in motion or in gear no button required to move it from D to R or N.





When it comes to intuitiveness, ease of operation, function speed and features, the Jeep nav systems get glowing reviews and is considered by many to be one of the best vehicle nav systems out there.



Thats questionable, I find the graphics much better on some competition which makes a huge difference when you actually want to look at the details of the map while driving, also function of zooming in/out of the map very quickly using a knob instead of touch screen is huge because you don't have to take you eyes off the road.
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For the initial drive off you need to hold the release/unlock button and move the shifter with addition of the brake pedal just like any other shifter, once in motion or in gear no button required to move it from D to R or N.
WOW!!!

How someone could be so TOTALLY WRONG about something so basic is almost beyond me!!!

Either you:
- Don't actually have a 2014/15 Jeep Grand Cherokee
- Have never actually driven one
- Have a totally broken one

Because you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Once in DRIVE, pushing the shifter forward without pressing the button gets you into NEUTRAL.


PERIOD!

No amount of pushing or pulling on the shifter will take you Out of NEUTRAL until you ALSO PRESS the BUTTON!

Pulling the shifter back once in NEUTRAL gets you into... NEUTRAL. Pressing the button is REQUIRED to shift out of NEUTRAL. Push forward while pressing the button takes you from NEUTRAL to either REVERSE or PARK (depending on how hard you push and/or how many notches you push thru). Pull backward from NEUTRAL while pressing the button takes you back into DRIVE.




BTW... pressing the Brake Pedal may or may not also be required when going into Reverse and/or Park. I can't remember right now.
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WOW!!!

How someone could be so TOTALLY WRONG about something so basic is almost beyond me!!!

Either you:
- Don't actually have a 2014/15 Jeep Grand Cherokee
- Have never actually driven one
- Have a totally broken one

Because you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Once in DRIVE, pushing the shifter forward without pressing the button gets you into NEUTRAL.


PERIOD!

No amount of pushing or pulling on the shifter will take you Out of NEUTRAL until you ALSO PRESS the BUTTON!

Pulling the shifter back once in NEUTRAL gets you into... NEUTRAL. Pressing the button is REQUIRED to shift out of NEUTRAL. Push forward while pressing the button takes you from NEUTRAL to either REVERSE or PARK (depending on how hard you push and/or how many notches you push thru). Pull backward from NEUTRAL while pressing the button takes you back into DRIVE.




BTW... pressing the Brake Pedal may or may not also be required when going into Reverse and/or Park. I can't remember right now.

I don't have to press the button in mine other than to get it out of park soooo...
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