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Old 02-09-2016, 09:14 AM
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion investigated by Feds

I don't mind the shifter on my 15, but just the other day my hand slipped and I accidentally bumped my GC into neutral while changing lanes. It does require some thought but the more I drive it the more intuitive it becomes. My wife does not like the shifter because she prefers the old style shifters with a more tactile feel. It will be interesting to see what FCA decides to do about this situation.

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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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"Agency tests found that operating the center console shift lever "is not intuitive and provides poor tactile and visual feedback to the driver, increasing the potential for unintended gear selection,"

Apparently, people don't understand what the "P" means on the shifter, or the dash display. FFS. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. Pay attention people!! If you can't take the time to verify whether or not you're in PARK before exiting your expensive, 5000 pound vehicle, YOU SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING!!! This is just ridiculous.
A bit harsh. There are moments when one drives where time is critical. In those cases if one has to stop and look at where the selector is located and correct it if necessary before a needed action happens could be the difference between a safe versus harmful outcome. This selector ignores years of ergonomic science where vehicles are designed so reactions to events can happen quickly with ones focus staying on the event, not the vehicle. What advantage did this shifter introduce? None! I want Jeep to replace my 2015 unit with the 2016 version so I do not have to worry about my wife's occasional use of the vehicle where she ends up dead like the woman in the Mercedes ML hit by a train as she dealt with a non traditional shifter.

There is a great story on another Jeep forum where a dealer tech brought a customer's GC around for them to take home, and got out of the vehicle only to have it drive off in reverse.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

The biggest transition I have a hard time getting to work 100% of the time with the shifter in my 2015 is going from Drive to Reverse. I've started using the "2 click" method which while slower then trying to make the transition in 1 move, has a higher chance of success.

And I won't want FCA making any changes to my vehicle at this point. I've learned how to use the shifter well enough and don't want to run the chance of them screwing something up.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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A bit harsh. There are moments when one drives where time is critical.
If my response was harsh, so be it. It doesn't take 100% concentration to park. Just push the shifter all the way forward, and hit the start/stop button. Then check that the vehicle is in PARK, and the tach is at ZERO, indicating the engine is off. Mistakes happen when people are in a hurry. I don't understand how someone could possibly defend someone who is too busy or in too much of a hurry to spend one or two seconds verifying that their vehicle is in park with the engine off. It's really not too much to ask. It's called being a responsible driver.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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If my response was harsh, so be it. It doesn't take 100% concentration to park. Just push the shifter all the way forward, and hit the start/stop button. Then check that the vehicle is in PARK, and the tach is at ZERO, indicating the engine is off. Mistakes happen when people are in a hurry. I don't understand how someone could possibly defend someone who is too busy or in too much of a hurry to spend one or two seconds verifying that their vehicle is in park with the engine off. It's really not too much to ask. It's called being a responsible driver.
But people are people and are gonna do people stuff. Taking that simple fact into account in how you design your products is called being a responsible manufacturer.
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Old 02-09-2016, 01:29 PM
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I love mine and will never let them touch it
Ditto! I feel the same way.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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If my response was harsh, so be it. It doesn't take 100% concentration to park. Just push the shifter all the way forward, and hit the start/stop button. Then check that the vehicle is in PARK, and the tach is at ZERO, indicating the engine is off. Mistakes happen when people are in a hurry. I don't understand how someone could possibly defend someone who is too busy or in too much of a hurry to spend one or two seconds verifying that their vehicle is in park with the engine off. It's really not too much to ask. It's called being a responsible driver.
So you come home and want to get your mail from the mailbox on the street. You would go thru your shut down procedure, get out and get the mail, get back in and restart the vehicle to drive down your driveway only to discover your child left their bike in your way. So you go thru the whole shut down, exit, reenter start up procedure all over. Sorry but the majority of people in this world would put the vehicle in park with the engine running, exit, reenter, drop it into drive and proceed. Or you are hooking up a trailer to Jeep's standard hitch. As they align the ball and tongue, check the lights, etc. etc. the majority leave the engine running putting the vehicle in and out of park as they maneuver it and as they they exit and enter several times in that process. The problem occurs when the engine is running and the vehicle is supposed to be in park and isn't. Likewise when doing a maneuver like K turn going back and forth between reverse and drive, and suddenly you need to get out of the way of an oncoming car. It is dangerous in that case. There are lots more situations like these.

A mechanical shift lever lets a driver simply sense by position what gear the vehicle is in but an electronic lever that always returns to the midpoint doesn't let you know. You have to stop what you are doing stare at it and then rectify if necessary, all of which takes more time.

A manufacturer is responsible to design for the majority and consider the norms of how a product is used. That is doubly important when you change from an established norm as Jeep did in this case. Jeep did build in a safeguard where you cannot shut the engine off without being in park.
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2014 Gear Shift Confusion

Simple solution to this whole confusion would be putting a park button on top of the shifter. Easy, press park and you're done.


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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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If my response was harsh, so be it. It doesn't take 100% concentration to park. Just push the shifter all the way forward, and hit the start/stop button. Then check that the vehicle is in PARK, and the tach is at ZERO, indicating the engine is off. Mistakes happen when people are in a hurry. I don't understand how someone could possibly defend someone who is too busy or in too much of a hurry to spend one or two seconds verifying that their vehicle is in park with the engine off. It's really not too much to ask. It's called being a responsible driver.
But in the Real World, there are other situations where the 2014/15 could be a serious liability.

I once saw an accident in a 4-way intersection that caused one vehicle to go sliding towards several other vehicles stopped at their red light. Luckily, the lead vehicle about to be hit, along with the other car behind him, managed to QUICKLY shift from Drive to Reverse and back out of the way.

Had either of those vehicles been a 2014/15 WK2, they might not have been able to quickly shift to reverse and get out of the way!
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

What about the people (usually elderly) that confuse the brake and accelerator peddles --- then drive through a building or through a crowd on the sidewalk?

It will also be interesting to see how the complaint/accident stats compare to the stats of other vehicles with the old shifter. People forget to place vehicles in the correct gear all the time and PERHAPS people are conveniently blaming it on this shifter when they should blame it on themselves like people with the old shifter do when they put their vehicle in the wrong gear and get out of their vehicle --- we all know people that have done that with the old shifters. The stats may be the norm...dunno.
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I love mine and will never let them touch it

Hah you'll prolly get rid of it before they'd get the chance to lmao


If you have a problem using this shifter in any situation, you shouldn't be driving.
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So you come home and want to get your mail from the mailbox on the street. You would go thru your shut down procedure, get out and get the mail, get back in and restart the vehicle to drive down your driveway only to discover your child left their bike in your way. So you go thru the whole shut down, exit, reenter start up procedure all over.
That sure is putting a lot of words in my mouth!! I have safely exited every single vehicle that I have owned while leaving it running. I make sure it's safe to do so before I exit. I guess I'm with the 99.93% of people that don't suffer from runaway GC's, and I don't obliviously hop out with the trans still in drive and the engine running.

I also watch for other drivers who don't pay attention when I cross a crosswalk, because I know that I will lose against any vehicle. It's not such a bad thing being aware and careful.
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