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That sure is putting a lot of words in my mouth!! I have safely exited every single vehicle that I have owned while leaving it running. I make sure it's safe to do so before I exit. I guess I'm with the 99.93% of people that don't suffer from runaway GC's, and I don't obliviously hop out with the trans still in drive and the engine running.

I also watch for other drivers who don't pay attention when I cross a crosswalk, because I know that I will lose against any vehicle. It's not such a bad thing being aware and careful.
Yes, but expecting such caution to exist in the general public goes counter to all current group-think and the growing population of Consumer Reports type whiners that really ought to be born with a lifetime lease to a series of Volvos or Googlemobiles.

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But in the Real World, there are other situations where the 2014/15 could be a serious liability.

I once saw an accident in a 4-way intersection that caused one vehicle to go sliding towards several other vehicles stopped at their red light. Luckily, the lead vehicle about to be hit, along with the other car behind him, managed to QUICKLY shift from Drive to Reverse and back out of the way.

Had either of those vehicles been a 2014/15 WK2, they might not have been able to quickly shift to reverse and get out of the way!
Odd, it really isn't that hard to shift to reverse in a wk2.
Is there presumed to be something lacking in the manual dexterity in this situation, or just drivers bucking for a darwin award?
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

The shifter is poorly designed, period. Yeah of course people need to pay more attention to what they're doing and make sure the vehicle is indeed in the correct gear before exiting but that does not take blame away from FCA for re-engineering something that on every other car is a "no thought needed" process. I've had my '15 JGC since August and I can't count how many times it's happened to me when I meant to be shifting to Park and it actually goes into Reverse... or meant to shift to Reverse and it actually goes into Neutral. Thankfully I corrected it before doing anything else but the bottom line is that this should not happen at all. It's just a bad design.

I don't see the NTSB investigating this issue on any other vehicle so it's obviously not just a "driver error" problem.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

I'm pretty sure each case of runaway vehicles did not have the parking brake engaged.
Why is it people don't use them? I have no idea.

Regardless of being a manual or automatic transmission, it should always be engaged prior to exiting the vehicle, thus minimizing the gear selector issue.

Another thing that bugs me is that I don't see Audi drivers complaining about their identical gear selectors. Even BMW has an oddly shaped selector, but you don't hear about people crashing their cars (for other reasons, yes, but not that reason). What does that say about Jeepers?
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I shift wrong all the time. Hate that.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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I'm pretty sure each case of runaway vehicles did not have the parking brake engaged.
Why is it people don't use them? I have no idea.

Regardless of being a manual or automatic transmission, it should always be engaged prior to exiting the vehicle, thus minimizing the gear selector issue
Good luck with that. I would say its safe to say that 97% of drivers with automatic transmissions NEVER engage the parking brake in an automatic transmission vehicle. Take a stroll through a parking lot and glance into each car... I bet you will never find a single one with the parking brake engaged. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but the fact is people do not use it. As a result of this being the case, if the vehicle is truly not designed to be parked using ONLY the gear selector, then the parking brake needs to be some sort of automatically engaging mechanism when placed in park, because that means every vehicle you see out there is unsafely and improperly parked.

As for myself, I use the parking brake on any sort of incline/decline, otherwise I do not use it. Funny thing is, my wife isn't even strong enough to disengage it if she gets in a vehicle that has a parking brake set. That alone goes to show its not the best design....shit, I bet 70+% of females don't even know how to use a parking brake lol.

For the record, I am absolutely not bashing your opinion as I know you are right, I'm more or less just stating the facts on how it really is.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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I'm pretty sure each case of runaway vehicles did not have the parking brake engaged.
Why is it people don't use them? I have no idea.

Regardless of being a manual or automatic transmission, it should always be engaged prior to exiting the vehicle, thus minimizing the gear selector issue.

Another thing that bugs me is that I don't see Audi drivers complaining about their identical gear selectors. Even BMW has an oddly shaped selector, but you don't hear about people crashing their cars (for other reasons, yes, but not that reason). What does that say about Jeepers?
The Audi and BMW shifters have a much different (better) tactical feel so you know the gear position without having to actually look at it. Simply put, they're engineered better.

One thing I noticed with the JGC (at least on mine) is when shifting from Drive to Park, there is a slight delay (maybe a 1/4-1/2 sec) when the light stays on Reverse. It might "feel" like it's in Park so you release the shifter, but because of that slight delay the gear is actually in Reverse.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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The Audi and BMW shifters have a much different (better) tactical feel so you know the gear position without having to actually look at it. Simply put, they're engineered better.

One thing I noticed with the JGC (at least on mine) is when shifting from Drive to Park, there is a slight delay (maybe a 1/4-1/2 sec) when the light stays on Reverse. It might "feel" like it's in Park so you release the shifter, but because of that slight delay the gear is actually in Reverse.

I would be careful bringing up eurotrash cars into this discussion, God forbid they are better in some way.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

I think we need four-five more threads minimum to thoroughly vet this out. idiot-proofing innovation is impossible.
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One time I showed up for the day shift, when I was scheduled for the night shift.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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Odd, it really isn't that hard to shift to reverse in a wk2.
Is there presumed to be something lacking in the manual dexterity in this situation, or just drivers bucking for a darwin award?
You almost sound like you don't actually HAVE a 2014/15 WK2.

Going from Drive to Reverse is THE WORST and HARDEST transition to make with this shifter.

In fact, ALMOST ALL of the other shifts are extremely easy.
- Park-to-Drive..........EASY
- Park-to-Reverse......EASY
- Drive-to-Park..........EASY
- Reverse-to-Drive.....EASY
- Reverse-to-Park......EASY

- Drive-to-Reverse.....NOT EASY

The transition from Drive-to-Reverse is the ONLY Regularly encountered one (excluding going into/out of Neutral) that requires either proper timing or hitting multiple detents. ALL of the other transitions require hitting either a Full Travel Stop/Detent or going thru a Single detent. Park and Drive are at the limit of the shifters travel range. Only Neutral and Reverse are in the middle of the travel range and require either timing or hitting one of the "middle" detents. Going from Park-to-Reverse requires hitting a single detent & is pretty easy.

If you don't understand this, I think you need more driving experience.


This is an AUTOMATIC transmission! They SHOULD be boringly Simple. A properly Automatic Transmission can be manipulated with your EYES CLOSED!


- Push it all the forward and to the left....................................PARK
- Pull it all the way back (might require pressing a button).........DRIVE
- Push it forward while keeping it to the right...........................REVERSE
- Push it forward while keeping it centered...............................NEUTRAL


Try manipulating the 2014/15 Shifter with your eyes closed.....

This Shouldn't Be ROCKET SCIENCE.
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