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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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Oh I've read them, they are just never a problem for me. It's so easy to not mess it up once you get the "feel" of it. You can feel every notch, know the resistance, know how to go up notch by notch or multiple ones at a time, etc.
I agree that it is very easy to go thru most transitions with no problem. In fact there is only 1 transition that I have a less than 100% success rate; and that is going from Drive to Reverse. NONE of the transitions should require getting the "feel" correct. Nor should any of them require knowing the proper resistance or counting notches.

A properly designed gated shifter requires none of these aspects. A shifter (gated or electronic) should require no finesse, no proper timing, and no counting of notches. I see no viable reason to go BACKWARDS in terms of easy of use. An old saying comes to mind:

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Old 02-24-2016, 08:12 AM
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Sometimes, including today, when going from park to reverse, I go into Neutral. What should I do to go from park to reverse successfully every time?
Don't pull on the shifter so hard.

There are two positions when you push or pull the shifter. One takes you one slot at a time and the other skips several at a time.

Park to Reverse should only require a gentle tick to the first dentent. It sounds like you're hitting the second detent, but releasing before it can move beyond Neutral.

If, on the off chance, it's skipping more than one gear in the first detent, that's a service issue you should address. The way you can tell is to put it in any gear below Park and try to go to the next one in line. If it consistently skips past the next gear in line, it might mean you have a bad switch in your shifter.

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I agree that it is very easy to go thru most transitions with no problem. In fact there is only 1 transition that I have a less than 100% success rate; and that is going from Drive to Reverse.
That's the only one that occasionally gets me, too. Every so often I miss Reverse. However, I know immediately when I do because the reverse camera doesn't come on.

Having said that, I've encountered some pretty silly methods of getting to Reverse in manual transmission cars, so this is nothing. The worst is the little ring you have to lift while moving the shifter. I'll take the push and move over next to 1st in a VW over that stupid pull ring. On a manual gear box with an uneven number of gears, there's no reason not to have Reverse below the highest gear with a speed interlock to keep the shifter from going there when moving forward.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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I agree that it is very easy to go thru most transitions with no problem. In fact there is only 1 transition that I have a less than 100% success rate; and that is going from Drive to Reverse. NONE of the transitions should require getting the "feel" correct. Nor should any of them require knowing the proper resistance or counting notches.

A properly designed gated shifter requires none of these aspects. A shifter (gated or electronic) should require no finesse, no proper timing, and no counting of notches. I see no viable reason to go BACKWARDS in terms of easy of use. An old saying comes to mind:

"If it ain't broke..."

That's a fair point, I understand where you're coming from.

My response is simply that tech and designs change and evolve over the years, and typically, people offer resistance to new tech. Ppl posted pics of Acuras in here with just push-buttons to put it in a position. BMW has its own "new" shifter system that is not gated (check out an X3 or X5 and you'll see what I mean) and doesn't work anything like the current systems out there in other vehicles or in BMW's cars from the late 90s and early 2000s. Once you learn how to use it, it works very well, and is really easy.

Jeep, I believe, was trying to do a hybrid of what BMW has and the old gated shifter. IMO, adding the notches accomplished just that, and made it a great system. When BMW went from a gated shifter to their current electronic one, people complained and had to learn how to use it, but BMW did NOT decide to go back, and now no one complains about it. It's the standard.

Having worked in auto interiors engineering, I can also say that I agree with you as well, and you should consider Ergonomics and base your design changes on UCD, conducting usability studies, and using the data you obtain from them. I can't imagine Jeep didn't conduct these studies when they designed this new shifter. And, given they're selling this GC by the bucket-loads, I imagine real life has panned out as the data showed - the vast majority have no problem, and a small minority have some difficulty with it. That's acceptable, so long as you're within tolerances.

So, to me, it still doesn't make sense to make changes back unless they have new data OR they're losing significantly more initial sales than they thought they would, which is a bummer.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

So here's how this all sums up for me.

2014-2015 shifter: Learn how to use it. Shouldn't take more than .1 seconds/a few seconds/a few days/a few weeks/OK maybe never if you're a moron and have no business driving in the first place. Read TFM. Count the clicks. Don't push on it so hard. Push it harder. Just feel it. Look at the indicator, even if you have traffic coming at you from three directions. You're a moron and have no business driving in the first place.

Other shifters: Put it in the gear you want.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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So here's how this all sums up for me.

2014-2015 shifter: Learn how to use it. Shouldn't take more than .1 seconds/a few seconds/a few days/a few weeks/OK maybe never if you're a moron and have no business driving in the first place. Read TFM. Count the clicks. Don't push on it so hard. Push it harder. Just feel it. Look at the indicator, even if you have traffic coming at you from three directions. You're a moron and have no business driving in the first place.

Other shifters: Put it in the gear you want.
I have no issue with the shifter from day to day it operates fine no issues. but in that panic situation even if you are looking at the indicator you can still miss the gear (R in particular) that you want to go into. in that moment of panic the normal use of the shifter we have adapted to may be come a little rushed and not quite as accurate and you miss the gear. so you just try again move it back and you are in. and I guess in that moment of panic its annoying because you usually want every moment you can get in a situation like that. This shifter just requires a little more precision and in that moment of panic well everyone's human and in the rush maybe they are not as precise as they need to be for that change of gears. Doesn't mean im a rotten driver, I have never had an accident in 30 years of driving but sometimes not rushing to take time to be more precise is easier said then done in a panic situation. I can say I will be more precise and less rushed the next time but when an 18 wheeler is barreling down on you its just an instinct to act as quickly as possible and this shifter is just a little less forgiving in that circumstance than others. It doesn't happen much but this is the only vehicle that I have ever experienced it in. Other than that it works fine and I never even really think about it. and by panic situation I mean an accident is imminent not someone that cant get it into gear and it roles away because they are busy talking on their cell phone and trying to do 10 things at the same time and just not paying attention.
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

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That's a fair point, I understand where you're coming from.

My response is simply that tech and designs change and evolve over the years, and typically, people offer resistance to new tech. Ppl posted pics of Acuras in here with just push-buttons to put it in a position. BMW has its own "new" shifter system that is not gated (check out an X3 or X5 and you'll see what I mean) and doesn't work anything like the current systems out there in other vehicles or in BMW's cars from the late 90s and early 2000s. Once you learn how to use it, it works very well, and is really easy.
The BMW Shifter is a very well designed one compared to the 2014/15 Jeep.

To go into Reverse from Drive all one needs to do is press a button and push the shifter all the way forward. There is no need to count notches (like in the Jeep), there is no way to miss going into Reverse and accidentally end up in either Neutral or Park (like in the Jeep). That BMW shifter requires no finesse and no counting of notches. It operates perfectly in normal and even emergency situations.

Here's a YouTube video showing how it operates. It is FAR superior to the 2014/15 Jeep Grand Cherokee Shifter:





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Jeep, I believe, was trying to do a hybrid of what BMW has and the old gated shifter. IMO, adding the notches accomplished just that, and made it a great system. When BMW went from a gated shifter to their current electronic one, people complained and had to learn how to use it, but BMW did NOT decide to go back, and now no one complains about it. It's the standard.
Nope.

Requiring a driver to COUNT notches in order to "land" on the correct gear is a total FAIL in an Automatic Transmission. Transmission should be smooth & intuitive. They should involve moving a control fully in 1 direction (all the way forward, all the way back, all the way to the left, or all the way to the right). The only exception would be going into Neutral.
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I had a little trouble getting used to the shifter in my 14 but after the first whole day or two of driving it I don't mind it at all. I actually like it compared to the dial selector that was in my previous RAM...
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Re: 2014 Gear Shift Confusion

Here's an example of getting caught out with the shifter.

https://youtu.be/CuTXUcoGdhw?t=5m32s
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Unrelated video on how to drive an unrelated car, still kinda funny....

Edit: STRONG LANGUAGE. Suggest headphones!

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Old, young, middle age ... mostly old though, somehow confuse one pedal or one gear with another. It happens. But oddly, for people who are distracted or older they think they did the right thing but didn't. It probably is worse for older people because they aren't as conscientious and instead rely on muscle memory more (pedals, gears) because they have done X, Y, Z for so many years they think their body/mind will always do it right without checking. Sometimes though muscle memory gets confused without realizing it and BAM, they plowed through the front window of a store instead of pressing on the brake to park. Confusion happens. Just saw it in a parking lot a few weeks ago, and older lady's car is half hanging over a curb in a parking lot ... oddly the curb went up a slope of lawn about a foot and her car was hanging on that. It happens, but blame the driver.
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It probably is worse for older people because they aren't as conscientious...
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Pretty broad/sweeping statement there buddy and probably a bad word choice. Talking of conscientious, most "older people" don't screw around with phones/texting/selfies while driving .

If you want to check out how 'conscientious' older people are, you should meet with up my local motorcycle ride group. Our youngest is 65 and the oldest is 90, riding mainly sport/sport-touring and dual-sport bikes (in the liter + class) with a few of us also being pilots .

Here's some statistics for you......

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/812199.pdf
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