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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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I was talking about JJ, and the mopes who think they can drive like him. BTW, JJ has 14 top ten finishes on road courses.
JJ needs to go do the Spa 24 hours and Ring 24hrs in the rain and mist. Or maybe go down under and race Aussie V8s in the rain. I dont believe unlike a few NASCAR drivers he has ever run at the Daytona 24hrs or 12hrs of Sebring. I know he hasnt made the swim across the ocean to do the 24hrs of Le Mans.

Gordon and Stewart are better at turning left and right. None of the current crop of top NASCAR drivers can come close to Gurney's or AJ's road racing skills. Cale was the next best. Followed closely by Robbie Gordon.

Watching the NASCAR road racing at Riverside then Sears Point and Watkins Glen over the years you can see NASCAR drivers getting better on road courses and ringers not do as well as they used to. But put Ron Fellows in a Hendrick car with an equal pit crew against Jimmy at the Glen NASCAR race and my money is on Ron.

99.9% of drivers have no clue about driving and car control. Problem is modern technology will save their lives so they can go out kill and maim again. Biggest thing the govt could do is require technology that prevents
the use of phones, PDAs etc will the vehicle is in motion even with hands free devices. No one is that good.
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JJ needs to go do the Spa 24 hours and Ring 24hrs in the rain and mist. Or maybe go down under and race Aussie V8s in the rain.
Why does JJ need to do their events, as opposed to them doing his events?
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Biggest thing the govt could do is require technology that prevents the use of phones, PDAs etc will the vehicle is in motion.
Tech that blocks the driver would also block the passenger. The nanny government already interferes too much with our lives.
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Why does JJ need to do their events, as opposed to them doing his events?
NASCAR doesnt race in the rain does it. Sears Point and the short track at the Glen dont come close and are not in the same league as Spa, the Nurburgring and Le Mans when it comes to road course. JJ might enjoy himself over 12.9 miles with all its curves and elevation changes. Plus the weather which can be challenging.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Biggest thing the govt could do is require technology that prevents
the use of phones, PDAs etc will the vehicle is in motion even with hands free devices. No one is that good.
WORST POST EVER!

Sorry but I don't need any more Government Intrusion into my life. Current vehicles already have a load of electronic nannies and I don't want more of them.

Usually idiots who want stuff like this also want stupid things like:
- Electronic Speed control that prevents a vehicle from going faster than the posted speed limit.
- Mandatory Child Seats in all vehicles
- Black Boxes (tattletales) that automatically report excessive (spirited) driving behavior back to Big Brother

Thanks but No Thanks!

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Sorry have almost killed too many times by some fool texting and talking while driving. And I dont care if the passenger cant. Black box technology is already in your car.

I agree with you on govt interference and intrusion but I will make an exception in this case to save lifes.

Govt also needs to get out of mandating how many mpg a vehicle gets and averages for auto makers. Let the marketplace rule. If folks want to buy hybrids or EVs go for it but w/o any tax breaks. If folks decide screw the govt and the Greens I want to increase the share price of Exxon Mobil and buy a 4 dr sedan that only gets 9mpg thats their right and the govt needs to step away from any interference in this decision. Same with regulating CO2.
All for a clean planet but come billions of Chinese and Indians are polluting to max and I dont want my lifestyle reduced.
Yeah, all of these anti-texting/distracted driving laws seem to have made things worst! People still do these stupid things while driving but now, they are trying to hide that fact (and becoming even worst drivers at the same time)!

I'm a bit mixed on vehicle emissions and CAFE standards. When I first moved to Southern California, they had "Smog Alerts" (unhealthy Air alerts) about once a month, sometimes more. Today, it has been well over a decade since we had one. And the change is pretty obvious.
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Biggest thing the govt could do is require technology that prevents
the use of phones, PDAs etc will the vehicle is in motion even with hands free devices. No one is that good.
Technology that deters/eliminates physical texting while driving will come(in the very near future) from the private sector, NOT the federal government. Mark my words, mark my post, I am a prophet.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I'll one-up-ya on that. I predict that the private sector will also come out with technology that will over-ride any technology that will block texting while driving. Possibly even the same parent company selling the blocking tech.
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I'll one-up-ya on that. I predict that the private sector will also come out with technology that will over-ride any technology that will block texting while driving. Possibly even the same parent company selling the blocking tech.
The government develops (and mandates) technology which a few want. The private sector develops products for which there is great demand.
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I'll one-up-ya on that. I predict that the private sector will also come out with technology that will over-ride any technology that will block texting while driving. Possibly even the same parent company selling the blocking tech.
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Seriously, some of you need to learn the difference between being "nannied" and being regulated when utilizing PUBLIC resources. You're free to do whatever you want when driving on private property. But alas, you're not free to drive as fast as you want, text, blah blah blah on resources built with public funds for the use of everyone.

While there are indeed some "nanny state" examples (such as that stuff about banning sugary drinks over a certain size which I thought was really asinine) I'm really just amazed at how many people think that practically any rule implemented when they are utilizing public (not private) resources is such an interference in their lives.

The "private sector" does it and it's "oh well, they can do that. They own the resource." Rental cars for example. They can track you and log your driving, etc. Why? To protect their resource and liability. Well, the government (which is us by the way) owns the roads guys. By that same logic they have the right to make rules as to how those roads are used.

Hell, if you don't want to be on public roads or property you don't have to have ANY of the aforementioned equipment at all.

I do, unfortunately, agree with the fact that, because of the way human psychology works, a lot of people tend to drive worse when they feel safer. That, couple with the fact that most people think they are better drivers than they actually are (including those who think they "know how to drive), and there will always be accidents.
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The problem with technology is it makes us all worse drivers. ABS hey you no longer need to know how to threshold brake. Stabiity Control you no longer need to have a clue about car control or know how to use all the pedals, the steering and brakes to save your sorry butt. Same thing with all the other electronic nannies.

Ever spun a car with ABS? Its no fun. Its unpredictable. W/o ABS you brake hard or lock them up at the same time you shift into neutral or push in the clutch. You then come to a safe predictable stop if you know what you are doing.

In snow especially deep snow I dont want ABS since my stopping distance will be longer and I dont want stability control or any other nannies since there maybe a time when I want the vehicle to rotate or drift. There are times when taking an exit ramp in in a nice 4 wheel drift is the safest option in the snow

Can you still spin a vehicle with all the electronic nannies? Yes you can and the biggest problem is it happens at a higher speed than w/o them and you reaction times are next to nothing.

So get off the phone, stop texting and learn to drive. Most posters here and most drivers dont have a clue about car control.

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