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Old 11-03-2012, 08:24 PM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Even with all the advance information we get, I would never order a car before seeing one first on a dealers lot, and taking a spin.

If you need to be first, you will possibly pay a price for the privilege.
I bought my first SRT, a 2006 WK, sight unseen and without ever haven driven one. I didn't even test drive it before I signed all the paperwork. I watched it being unloaded off the truck, completed the paperwork while it was being prepped, and drove it for the first time when I left the dealership for the ride home.
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:31 PM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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"It doesn't appear that the "Smart" feature is going to make it on the 2014 radios"

My '12 Laredo already has that (Android 4.0.4).
I was referring to features such as "pinch, arc, flick" that would be available on the radio/nav screen.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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I bought my first SRT, a 2006 WK, sight unseen and without ever haven driven one. I didn't even test drive it before I signed all the paperwork. I watched it being unloaded off the truck, completed the paperwork while it was being prepped, and drove it for the first time when I left the dealership for the ride home.
Did that with my c6z06. Just sat in a friends base c6 to make sure i didnt need a telescope steering column, then bought one from ohio, picked it up in bowling green.

There was no dealers who could get one anywhere near me.

If you know cars (im no expert) and what you want, it works. Worked for me.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:13 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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I was referring to features such as "pinch, arc, flick" that would be available on the radio/nav screen.
This is a pitty and I don't understand why this is not happening as even the new Golf has such a feature but I will not miss it in a car. I do not use the screen a lot while driving, I prefer voice control, and the feature you use while driving would not benefit a lot anyway. But I got the impression that Jeep focused on the media part and the gearbox for the refresh and if that's the case they missed a chance to make a bigger step.

I will try to order the 14 as soon as possible, ie potentially without having seen/driven it too. I know that the 8 speed is what I want and the UConnect will be nice even if it is not much improved over the current 300 C. Other than that there are no big changes that I could test during a test drive. As production of the diesel will start a bit later I will probably have seen pictures, that's fine for me.

But talking about price information, i think competition is tough at leat in Europe thus I don't expect a significant increase but Milous I could see the 8 speed increase internal cost in a way that a price increase could be unavoidable, can you comment on this? Maybe the same with the new electric architecture?
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:45 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I think you don't necessarily need to see/test drive one just to order it when the banks open. If the radio is like what is in a 300c, then I'm fine. I can test drive a 300 to get an idea of the transmission (I understand it won't be exactly the same but probably close). The outside has minor changes and from the pictures, love it still. I wouldn't complain about the gas mileage as it will never be as bad as my '08 Trailblazer I currently own (my '01 GC got better than this thing!). I don't think the dealer would have a problem selling the vehicle I would probably order around here if I pulled back on the deal (granted I might be out some money) but I doubt I wouldn't want the vehicle.

As for pricing when ordering like Milous said, I normally start at either 2% or $500 under invoice (which ever is lower). When we bought my wifes '11 Sonata all the dealers were telling us this car was a hot seller and no one would give us 1% under invoice, but when you go to enough dealers someone will finally do it to get the sale.
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:36 AM
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Best to negotiate a price based on what the dealer invoice cost will be, for example, "2% over invoice", "$500 over invoice", "$500 below invoice". Better to do this even when you know the price.
Better yet, $1500 under invoice and 0% interest for 72 months including a lifetime warranty! That's my best and final offer!
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Better yet, $1500 under invoice and 0% interest for 72 months including a lifetime warranty! That's my best and final offer!
Is that what you got on your '10 WK?
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:20 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Just noticed something interesting about the Ram 1500 Pentastar/8 speed. First it does not appear to be available on the Tradesman or Express. Second the 17/25 MPG seems to require a 3.21 axle (HFE model). The SLT with standard 3.55 axle drops to 16/23.

Frankly this does not make much sense since the 3.21 would have you at 1400 rpm at 60in 8th so it must be making the MPG up on the acceleration parts (EPA highway test does not go over 60). I wonder if it even gets into 8th below 70 (1600 rpm).

Be interesting to see how the EPA rates the '14 WK2s. Do think the highway rating should include a 70 mph cruise but can only do so much in a limited time on the rollers.


BTW I see that the EPA now includes three additional cycles including one up to 80 mph but have not found out how the weighting is done.
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Just noticed something interesting about the Ram 1500 Pentastar/8 speed. First it does not appear to be available on the Tradesman or Express.
It's not available with the base Charger trim either, although it comes standard with the base 300 trim. I don't see it mentioned on the front page, but has it been confirmed yet that the 8 speed will be available on all the Laredos (not just the "X")?
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the 8 speed is standard on all trim levels
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Except for the cop cars. They have stuck with the older, proven, 5 and 6 speeds for the 6yl and hemi police package.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Intersting thing is that you can get the Pentastar/8 speed in several packages but the 25 mpg highway is only with the HFE (includes High Fuel Efficiency Badge) model.

This is the lightest version (4572 lbs) and has very few options (e.g. manual cloth seats only, no 4x4 or crew cab). You can get the class IV hitch though.

Standard is the 3.21 axle. Front grille shutters, rotary shifter (suspect the transmission and engine maps are specific to this model), start-stop (engine shuts down at stoplights), trifold tonneau cover (helps aerodynamics), and somethng called "front and rear wheel spats" . Know that this means in an airplane but not here, cannot see anything in photos. Are paying about $6k more than the Tradesman for something.

Is an interesting concept and points to what it would take to get another 2 mpg from the current Pentastar Heep. I have not seen a cdA for the 1500 HFE (anyone have that info ?) but suspect the WK2 is better and they may have shaved the 2012's 11.6 a bit for '14.

Is something I have seen manufacturers do before (was an "economy" version of the '84 Fiero) for those who insist on meeting numbers but are rarely cars anyone would want to drive. Special 4-speed transaxle was popular for V8 transplants though.

Be interesting to see what the '14 GC specs look like when released. May be an HFE Laredo but the diesel will be far more attractive IMNSHO.
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