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Old 11-17-2012, 12:09 AM
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:23 AM
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Nope, this is actually the new Hyundai Sante Fe
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Nope. Keep guessing on this tidbit!
Don't know about the tidbit (yet), but the vehicle in the image you posted certainly IS the Hyundai Santa Fe.



EDIT: After reading about the car in question, I noticed some talk about an optional LWB-version for a third row seating. However, I would be surprised if that would be the tidbit..
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:56 AM
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Hyundai has come a long way. That is a REALLY NICE looking SUV.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:15 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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What model and year is this "5sp auto" your mechanic is referencing?

If you are talking WK... he's out of his mind. For example, there's turbine speed sensors (input and output) that send info directly to the computer. If the computer doesn't like what it sees (mismatch), it can hobble your rig and tell you to gimp to the mechanic to get the thing checked out (or more likely, your crappy sensors replaced).

Electronic tranny's (like injection systems and braking systems) have been around a long time now and all are managed and run by the computer.

Now granted, the newer cars have systems that talk to each other "Better" and have a more corrdinated effort (mainly around traction control, accident forecasting/avoidance, improved power, and improved fuel economy) but the idea of the computer telling you to "Bugger off, it knows better than you do" has been around a great while.

That's how you get double chutch automatics that can change gears in 60ms (Ferrari 599)... you can't even blink that fast.

So yes, while it can be annoying (usually trying to tell the system to upshift early), you generally have a good amount of control around downshifting (which is usually what comes in the most important when rock climbing).

That all said... note that even the J8 has an auto in it (not the 8 speed, but the 5 speed).
I went back to the dealership today and one of the guys showed me what he was talking about....my 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7 has a 5sp auto, and when you shift from Park, through Reverse, to Drive, you're moving the shifter through a mechanical gated shift mechanism. The 2013 Dodge SRT8 8sp auto is not gated or mechanical at all, you're just moving a lever from "P" to "R" to "D". You don't feel or hear anything at all. It's just a completely different experience. It might as well be separate buttons for "P", "R", "D", etc.

I'm not sure what all that means down to the nuts and bolts of the system, but I think the prevailing opinion, is that the more complexity you have between the driver and the wheels when you're doing serious off-roading, the more distrust there is -- maybe that's just saying if you're doing serious off-road, you shouldn't get an automatic transmission.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:29 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

The 545RFE transmission offers full electronic control of all automatic up and downshifts, and features real-time adaptive closed-loop shift and pressure control. Electronic shift and torque converter clutch controls help protect the transmission from damage due to high temperatures, which can occur under severe operating conditions. By altering shift schedules, line pressure, and converter clutch control, these controls reduce heat generation and increase transmission cooling.

The hydraulic control system design (without electronic assist) provides the transmission with PARK, REVERSE, NEUTRAL, SECOND, and THIRD gears, based solely on driver shift lever selection. This design allows the vehicle to be driven (in “limp-in” mode) in the event of a electronic control system failure, or a situation that the Transmission Control Module (TCM) recognizes as potentially damaging to the transmission.


The NAG1 (W5A580) transmission is an electronically controlled 5-speed transmission with a lock-up clutch in the torque converter. The ratios for the gear stages are obtained by 3 planetary gear sets. Fifth gear is designed as an overdrive with a high-speed ratio. The gears are actuated electronically/hydraulically. The gears are shifted by means of an appropriate combination of three multi-disc holding clutches, three multi-disc driving clutches, and two freewheeling clutches.
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Hyundai has come a long way. That is a REALLY NICE looking SUV.
LOOKING is the operative word. They are still built cheaply. At least thats what people who have owned hem keep telling me. And when one hit me....it was demolished in a low speed accident.



I'll never let my family drive one after that!
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:02 AM
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Don't know about the tidbit (yet), but the vehicle in the image you posted certainly IS the Hyundai Santa Fe.



EDIT: After reading about the car in question, I noticed some talk about an optional LWB-version for a third row seating. However, I would be surprised if that would be the tidbit..
It's actually the Santa Fe "Sport". I was just trying to get people going especially Marlon and Milous as we haven't heard many tidbits lately and it's only a few weeks from order date. I've joked about ordering this instead of the '14' Diesel. Whoever it was that guessed that this thread jumped the shark was right.
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LOOKING is the operative word. They are still built cheaply. At least thats what people who have owned hem keep telling me. And when one hit me....it was demolished in a low speed accident.



I'll never let my family drive one after that!
My wife owns a Hyundai Sonata. It was the only car she would buy cuz she didn't like any of the other vehicles. If I showed her this picture to tell me what she thinks all she would say is "Ok? that sucks for that person" and then move on. The Car is made of plastic instead of sheet metal like they use to be.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:01 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

The more important question isn't how much the car got damaged, but did anyone get hurt.

I'm not sure how much it matters in low speed accidents, but at higher speeds, having all the energy being absorbed outside the passenger compartment does save people at the expense of the vehicle. A good trade off.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

^^^ I agree. Sure the front end took a beating, but the passenger cabin looks perfect and im sure the occupents are more or less just fine. Im not backing Hyundai and I wont be buying one, but any car is going to sustain front end damage in a collision, and if anything all that front end mess makes for a softer impact inside the cabin.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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LOOKING is the operative word. They are still built cheaply. At least thats what people who have owned hem keep telling me. And when one hit me....it was demolished in a low speed accident.



I'll never let my family drive one after that!
Actually, the damage done to the Hyundai doesn't reflect build quality, but rather weight disparity (which is one of the reasons I'm getting a JGC. It's by no means one of the heaviest vehicle out there but I think it strikes a nice balance). Your Jeep weighs at least 4500 pounds, whereas the Sonata weighs 3200 and the Elantra 2700 (I think it's a Sonata in the photo, but I'm not positive). An Audi, BMW, Mercedes, or even Jeep would probably have very similar damage if it were the same weight as the Hyundai and crashed into you, and your Jeep would probably have similar damage were it to hit a heavier vehicle, such as a Tahoe or Suburban or something.

Also both the Elantra and Sonata are IIHS Top Safety Picks, so while I can't speak to the other aspects of the vehicle, "relative" safety (based around official third-party crash tests at least) is one thing they didn't appear to cheap out on.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Actually, the damage done to the Hyundai doesn't reflect build quality, but rather weight disparity (which is one of the reasons I'm getting a JGC. It's by no means one of the heaviest vehicle out there but I think it strikes a nice balance). Your Jeep weighs at least 4500 pounds, whereas the Sonata weighs 3200 and the Elantra 2700 (I think it's a Sonata in the photo, but I'm not positive). An Audi, BMW, Mercedes, or even Jeep would probably have very similar damage if it were the same weight as the Hyundai and crashed into you, and your Jeep would probably have similar damage were it to hit a heavier vehicle, such as a Tahoe or Suburban or something.

Also both the Elantra and Sonata are IIHS Top Safety Picks, so while I can't speak to the other aspects of the vehicle, "relative" safety (based around official third-party crash tests at least) is one thing they didn't appear to cheap out on.
Couldn't have said it any better. The truth of the matter is that in an accident--all things bring equal--the heavier vehicle will fare much better than the lighter one.
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