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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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If the decision between the CRD and HEMI would be that simple, it would make things much easier. However, if you throw in the expected surcharge of $2K (or more?) for the CRD over the HEMI, it takes significantly longer to profit from the higher MPGs.
I haven't looked at the $ differences in engine surcharges:

So, the 6 cylinder is X $... how much more is the Hemi than the Pentastar (which I think isn't a very strong engine compared to others in its class)?
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Back to the tranny, if we are now getting an mostly electric paddle shifter transmission, why not change to push buttons or a dial for the tx? I remember my grandfather had a plymouth with push buttons on the dash. Really with the paddle shifter, we would only need a R, N D and P i guess. a dial matching the terrain selector would be sort of neat. At least I think so anyway.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Are there any tidbits on any interior color options?
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Actually, the damage done to the Hyundai doesn't reflect build quality, but rather weight disparity (which is one of the reasons I'm getting a JGC. It's by no means one of the heaviest vehicle out there but I think it strikes a nice balance). Your Jeep weighs at least 4500 pounds, whereas the Sonata weighs 3200 and the Elantra 2700 (I think it's a Sonata in the photo, but I'm not positive). An Audi, BMW, Mercedes, or even Jeep would probably have very similar damage if it were the same weight as the Hyundai and crashed into you, and your Jeep would probably have similar damage were it to hit a heavier vehicle, such as a Tahoe or Suburban or something.

Also both the Elantra and Sonata are IIHS Top Safety Picks, so while I can't speak to the other aspects of the vehicle, "relative" safety (based around official third-party crash tests at least) is one thing they didn't appear to cheap out on.
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If the decision between the CRD and HEMI would be that simple, it would make things much easier. However, if you throw in the expected surcharge of $2K (or more?) for the CRD over the HEMI, it takes significantly longer to profit from the higher MPGs.
In Australia the price for the Hemi and CRD is the same. Still a rip compared to th US.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Are there any tidbits on any interior color options?
The only new color I am aware of so far is "Brown" which is replacing Saddle on the Overland. Black, of course, is returning (across the lineup) and Light Frost Beige will be back.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I am assuming black will be the only color choice for the SRT? You know if the headliner and pillars will be black?
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Figure the Pentastar/8 spd/4x2 will probably be close to 19/25. Since diesel around here is 20% more than regular ($3.16 vs $3.74/gal), diesel will need 23/30 just to break even. Add $5k to the purchase price and it goes up further.
Current (Eurospec) CRD is running at 23 City and 33 Highway (roughly) with a combined cycle of 28MPG.

That's with the current 5 Speed.

I'm not certain what the 8 speed will do for MPG though.

Keep in mind, generally Diesel does cost more than petrol (especially unleaded) and the price is usually akin to Premium Unleaded petrol. However, the engines are typically 30% more efficient.

That said, I did run some numbers a bit ago with fuel prices in my area (keep in mind these are all based off the current 5 speed transmission and current engines):

V6 Overland
MPG (City): 16.0
MPG (Hwy): 23.0
MPG (Combined): 19.0
Fuel Capacity: 26.4 gallons
Range (City): 422.4 miles
Range(Hwy): 607.2 miles
Range (Combined): 501.6 miles
Fuel Cost: $3.67
Estimated Fuel: $3,863.16

V8 Overland
MPG (City): 13.0
MPG (Hwy): 20.0
MPG (Combined): 15.0
Fuel Capacity: 26.4 gallons
Range (City): 343.2 miles
Range(Hwy): 528 miles
Range (Combined): 396 miles
Fuel Cost: $3.67
Estimated Fuel: $4,893.33

SRT
MPG (City): 12.0
MPG (Hwy): 18.0
MPG (Combined): 14.0
Fuel Capacity: 26.4 gallons
Range (City): 316.8 miles
Range(Hwy): 475.2 miles
Range (Combined): 369.6 miles
Fuel Cost: $3.99
Estimated Fuel: $5,700.00

CRD Overland
MPG (City): 22.8
MPG (Hwy): 32.7
MPG (Combined): 28.0
Fuel Capacity: 26.4 gallons
Range (City): 601.92 miles
Range(Hwy): 863.28 miles
Range (Combined): 739.2 miles
Fuel Cost: $4.05
Estimated Fuel: $2,892.86

Keep in mind, this is an estimate cost on the combined cycle with 20,000 miles per year.
V8 and Hemi - Unleaded Petrol
SRT - Super Unleaded Petrol
CRD - Diesel
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Back to the tranny, if we are now getting an mostly electric paddle shifter transmission, why not change to push buttons or a dial for the tx? I remember my grandfather had a plymouth with push buttons on the dash. Really with the paddle shifter, we would only need a R, N D and P i guess. a dial matching the terrain selector would be sort of neat. At least I think so anyway.
The tranny with the paddle shifters, if like others, will allow you to shift up and down through the gears. My current 6 speed, aside from forcing a first to second shift, will allow you to hold in any gear, all the way through sixth, even to the point of red lining. A double tap allows you to shift two gears at a time. And, you can do it with both hands on the wheel ... if you like.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Current (Eurpspec) CRD is running at 23 City and 33 Highway (roughly) with a combined cycle of 28MPG.

That's with the current 5 Speed.

I'm not certain what the 8 speed will do for MPG though.

Keep in mind, genaerally Diesel does cost more than petrol (especially unleaded) and the price is usually akin to Premium Unleaded petrol). However, the negines are typically 30% more efficient.

That said, I did run some numbers a bit ago with fuel prices in my area (keep in mind these are all based off the current 5 speed transmission and current engines):
V6 Overland
MPG (City)16.0
MPG (Hwy)23.0
MPG (Combined)19.0
Fuel Capacity26.4
Range (City)422.4
Range(Hwy)607.2
Range (Combined)501.6
Fuel Cost$3.67
Estimated Fuel$3,863.16

V8 Overland
MPG (City)13.0
MPG (Hwy)20.0
MPG (Combined)15.0
Fuel Capacity26.4
Range (City)343.2
Range(Hwy)528
Range (Combined)396
Fuel Cost$3.67
Estimated Fuel$4,893.33

CRD Overland
MPG (City)22.8
MPG (Hwy)32.7
MPG (Combined)28.
0Fuel Capacity26.4
Range (City)601.92
Range(Hwy)863.28
Range (Combined)739.2
Fuel Cost$4.05
Estimated Fuel$2,892.86
How about running the numbers on the SRT?
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The only new color I am aware of so far is "Brown" which is replacing Saddle on the Overland. Black, of course, is returning (across the lineup) and Light Frost Beige will be back.
Milous, you've been so helpful to all of us trying to make a decision. Have you heard anything on Summit external colors?
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The only new color I am aware of so far is "Brown" which is replacing Saddle on the Overland. Black, of course, is returning (across the lineup) and Light Frost Beige will be back.
Wouldn't you say the brown isn't that much different than the new saddle? Just a little less orangey, right?
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How about running the numbers on the SRT?
Roughly with the current SRT:
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MPG (City): 12.0
MPG (Hwy): 18.0
MPG (Combined): 14.0
Fuel Capacity: 26.4
Range (City): 316.8
Range(Hwy): 475.2
Range (Combined): 369.6
Fuel Cost: $3.99
Estimated Fuel: $5,700.00


Keep in mind, this is an estimate cost on the combined cycle with 20,000 miles per year.

(I'll added this to my original post as well.)
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