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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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The problem is, the vast majority of Grand Cherokee sales are Laredos so we're going to see these new Laredos with Light Gray grilles on every color imagineable. There's enough ugly cars on the road already. And as someone who take pride in ownership of a Grand Cherokee I don't want to see the model looking like that.
You make a very good point, talk about dragging the brand down.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Personally, I think it comes down to the idea of creating a brand within the model.. This is just my opinion, but you guys' conversation about what should be classified as an "SUV" got me to thinking; there's more to a Sport Utility Vehicle than just being a capable drag and road racer. Now granted, I agree that some soccer mom trucks shouldn't be classified as SUVs, bc there's no "sport" in them, but again, not all SUVs are for the same sports.

In regard to the Laredo in particular, I think it's gonna be marketed more for the guy/gal who loves the Jeep tradition, does a lot of off-roading for sport, not just to see if it can take it, yet may not be interested in a Wrangler. Something with a bit more contemporary styling, yet still rugged in its appeal. Imagine seeing a lifted '14 Laredo with a winch and big mud tires, and some Mopar accessories. I think that grey front may look even more at home. Now that may not be appealing to many of you guys in this thread, but I bet there's a market for that crowd on this site! And in the real world.

This isn't to say only hardcore off-roaders will buy a Laredo, but when you really look at how cars are marketed, it's never the base model thats shown in commercials. 99% of upcoming ads will feature either the Limited, Overland, or Summit. Probably mainly Overland and Summit. Once someone walks in the dealer, they either know what they're buying, or don't care, they just want a car. And for the Laredo to have its own identity will intrigue the man/woman who may not be able to afford a Summit, yet aren't sold on the look of the Laredo to ask, "what do you have in between?" (And most will leave with a Limited.) And again, there will be others who come in and don't care what it looks like, they just need a car. And are attracted to the GC's capability.

Honestly, I think they (Jeep) realized they left a lot of money on the table over the past couple years, with each model being so close to the others. I think their goal now is to make the Limited the volume leader, but if the Laredo continued to look basically identical to it, that wouldn't happen. Subconsciously, ppl need to justify spending the extra money. And being able to say, "I dont like that one," is a good start! But again, there's a market for the Laredo. I guess Marlon fell off the face of the earth, but before he did, both he and I saw it the same way. It's a canvass.. It's a new niche in the GC portfolio. Just like the SRT is, on the other end of the spectrum.

But I could be wrong... Wouldn't be the first time.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Personally, I think it comes down to the idea of creating a brand within the model.. This is just my opinion, but you guys' conversation about what should be classified as an "SUV" got me to thinking; there's more to a Sport Utility Vehicle than just being a capable drag and road racer. Now granted, I agree that some soccer mom trucks shouldn't be classified as SUVs, bc there's no "sport" in them, but again, not all SUVs are for the same sports.
To me SUV means ability to carry all my bikes (road and mountain bikes), kayak, skis (in winter) as well as all the camping equipment that I need during weekend trip. I don't crawl rocks but I need to get to any trail that I want during summer or winter w/o being stuck.

Honestly if I wanted to go fast I would look someplace else ... although I don't dislike in any sense an idea of SRT8 GC. Personally for that type of money I would rather get a beemer, vette, viper, mustang or retro looking challenger. Jeep to me is a Jeep. Looking to get 2014 GC VERY, VERY SOON (hopefully) as my Pathfinder just crossed 200K mark (bought the car used right after school with 16K so it is my baby). Would love to get CRD but I'm not sure my Pathfinder can wait that long.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:29 PM
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To me SUV means ability to carry all my bikes (road and mountain bikes), kayak, skis (in winter) as well as all the camping equipment that I need during weekend trip. I don't crawl rocks but I need to get to any trail that I want during summer or winter w/o being stuck.

Honestly if I wanted to go fast I would look someplace else ... although I don't dislike in any sense an idea of SRT8 GC. Personally for that type of money I would rather get a beemer, vette, viper, mustang or retro looking challenger. Jeep to me is a Jeep. Looking to get 2014 GC VERY, VERY SOON (hopefully) as my Pathfinder just crossed 200K mark (bought the car used right after school with 16K so it is my baby). Would love to get CRD but I'm not sure my Pathfinder can wait that long.
I hear you.. And based off that tiny bit of information, I'd say you're the kinda person who'd love a Trailhawk. But not knowing your situation, I can say not everyone can afford a Trailhawk. To me the new Laredo is a good start for someone who'd like to progressively go in that direction.
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Milous, I was wanting Light beige or frost in my Summit. Do you know whether the Australian Summit will be restricted to black and or Brown interior or will a buyer be able to order the light frost (beige) with an Australian order


I was thinking Indigo Blue/Brown combo for Summit but it looks like its only available for Overlands?

Guess I will find out soon enough at the NAIAS.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Scott is right about it being a beast in the snow. I have the all season tires and I have never had any issues on ice or in 10 inches of snow. We have had a total of approximately 22 inches of snow so far this year with one dump being 10 inches. The SRT took it like a champ and had no issues what so ever.

The snow mode makes a huge difference in stop and go traffic and starting off on icy intersections. You definitely notice when you forgot to put it in snow mode.

The only gripe is I wish the SRT would start off in whatever mode was on when the vehicle was turned off.
Does anyone know if the 2010 SRT8 had snow mode? My brother had a 2010 SRT8 and he said it was horrible in the snow. It was one of the main reasons he got rid of it. Even with 17" aftermarket Rims and Snow tires for winter driving, he said it was horrible.

I would consider the SRT8 but need to convince the wife that my brother's SRT8 wasn't as technically advanced or good in the snow. This could be good info possibly to tell her that the new SRT8's are improved for snow driving.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

This is very useful information--Thanks Very Much! Is there any likelihood that they will put out a "special edition" SRT8 with a Turbocharger? My plan right now is to order as soon as the dealer can but I would not want to be surprised by something introduced later that I should have waited for. We are making a vacation of picking up this car in Tenn and then driving across the south and finally back to ABQ. I really appreciate your help!
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Does anyone know if the 2010 SRT8 had snow mode? My brother had a 2010 SRT8 and he said it was horrible in the snow. It was one of the main reasons he got rid of it. Even with 17" aftermarket Rims and Snow tires for winter driving, he said it was horrible.

I would consider the SRT8 but need to convince the wife that my brother's SRT8 wasn't as technically advanced or good in the snow. This could be good info possibly to tell her that the new SRT8's are improved for snow driving.
I have a '10 set and drive through every snow storm we get since I plow our work facility. I do not have snow mode, but have blizzack's and think its great in the snow. I guess its a matter of the driver. You can't drive like its a nice warm summer day. Search YouTube. You'll see some decent footage.

On a side note....did anyone say if the CRD well make it into the trailhawk?
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On a side note....did anyone say if the CRD well make it into the trailhawk?
I was just saying I thought that that guy would probably love a Trailhawk based off what he wants to use his GC for. But a '14 CRD Trailhawk hasn't been confirmed yet, if that's what you're asking. I don't know if my last post is what you're referencing, or something else..
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I think Jeep should offer the Grand Cherokee with a wheel option, or maybe on a special edition, that looks like the 21" Porsche Cayenne Turbo ii wheels: http://www.bramanautoparts.com/media...fbdf7d2c_5.jpg
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This is very useful information--Thanks Very Much! Is there any likelihood that they will put out a "special edition" SRT8 with a Turbocharger? My plan right now is to order as soon as the dealer can but I would not want to be surprised by something introduced later that I should have waited for. We are making a vacation of picking up this car in Tenn and then driving across the south and finally back to ABQ. I really appreciate your help!
I understand your dilema, bc I'm in a similar boat myself. And Milous refuses to give me a timeline. (I think he hates me.) But honestly, for what you're getting in the 8spd, new Nav, refreshed interior/exterior, theres no point in waiting. There will always be another model that has more goodies than the previous one. If you buy one now, some guy in your neighborhood may end up being the fastest dude in town, come say September, but then the next year it could be back to you. Or someone else.. Big deal.

And turbo rumors are even less popular than the 6.2SC deal, so if that's what you're waiting for, it could be a while. If that ever happens.. Personally, I've convinced myself to go ahead and roll the dice now and see what happens later. I'll probably give my current Jeep to my girl since she thinks its hers anyway, and trade it in when the new Wrangler comes out, bc that's what she really wants. This way I won't feel like an idiot for not waiting on the '14 in the first place.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I join the chorus of thank yous. The discussions on the various aspects of the '11-'13 (WK2.1) vs '14 (WK2.2 or is it WK3.0?) have certainly informed my still-developing decision about which version to purchase. I am currently of the mind that hardware/capability is 80% of the decision, and 20% = aesthetic/lines. Of course checkbook considerations enter in, too, but it's really only money. Right? Despite my best efforts to focus on the 80%, what keeps nagging at me are the redesigned tail lights/gate.

There is ample deserved talk about the front end/head lights: the tape, the plastic filler, eyes that move, LED v. Xenon, but I'm coming around to the new look -- well at least what we've been shown and been asked to imagine is the final product sans electrical tape/velcro. The 11-13 grille is solid/mean/sturdy, but the 14 has an "Iron Man" shadow in there. But it's going to be a wait-and-see-then-determine what looks best kinda deal. With the tail lights, however, it would appear we know what we're getting and I just can't help thinking somebody took the old tracing paper out and put together a Subahyunkiord design that they wanted to slap on the rear end b/c it's just cheaper to go with what others are doing.

When the vehicle is standing still, I gravitate toward the front end of the JGC. It looks like it can handle whatever is in front of it. But when I'm driving, I'm not really paying attention to the front end of the cars in my rearview, I'm forced to look at the kiesters of the cars in front of me sitting in traffic and frankly I don't like the fact that the Tribeca looks like the Santa Fe looks like the Sportage looks like the Escape, and now the JGC.

After plowing through this thread over the last few weeks, with a bourbon and/or scotch assist at some points along the way, this is where I've ended up -- b*tching about tail lights. But it's my "electical tape". Appreciate any thoughts.
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