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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I wonder if the seats will be leather on the seating surfaces (inserts) and Natura on the side-bolsters, head-rests, arm-rests, etc. Kind of like the bio-vinyl. Like a leather-match sofa....

As a long-time fan of leather furniture, there is a difference to how non-organic materials handle body heat. Vinyl/Naugahyde furniture keeps the body hot and uncomfortable (sometimes sticky), while leather (other than "family leather" with the vinyl/urethane coating to protect the surface) matches the body temperature; just like a second skin. People who say leather furniture is too hot often have not experienced actual leather.

(Experience the leather... let the humor commence...)
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:45 PM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Narura Leather is a trade marked product. According to the company it's polyurethane with either cotton or polyester backing. If it was real leather they could put the L at the end of natura.

Maybe the plus one has a better backing so it can be perforated for cooled seats. They might not be able to do that with cotton.

Be interesting to find out. It's not a game changer for me, but if they use something other than real leather, I hope Jeep steps up and calls it what it is.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Im getting ready to start a weekly blog where i interview Jeep engineers etc. Maybe I can get some insight on the natura leather. I in NOW WAY feel theyll use faux leather.
I have to agree Scott. They are using a good grade of leather in the Overland, why in the world would they scrimp on the Summit. If you want to hold cost down, just keep them the same rather than pitching something as an upgrade. They used the fake leather in my 2008 and it was horrible.

Let's wait and see.
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I have to agree Scott. They are using a good grade of leather in the Overland, why in the world would they scrimp on the Summit. If you want to hold cost down, just keep them the same rather than pitching something as an upgrade. They used the fake leather in my 2008 and it was horrible.

Let's wait and see.
If it wasn't suitable, it wouldn't have been introduced in the top line trim. And if its "cheaper" then why not use it across the board!? If what will be used in the Overland is "real" and (allegedly) better, then why wouldn't they use THAT in the Summit, and THIS in the Overland (and down)?

The best comparison I can think of is synthetic motor oil. Just bc it's not crude oil, definitely doesn't mean it's cheaper or lower quality. Bc we all know neither are true.

From what I see, this was introduced in the '12 Ram LL, carried over for the '13 LL, and is now being introduced here in the Summit.. So obviously it's proven. Bc undoubtedly there were skeptics inside the design labs. When it's all said and done, the only complaint ppl will have about it is that is not 100% leather, or leather at all.. And thats fine! Everyone is entitled to their opinion(s) and preferences. To each his own..

(This is all obviously based on the stuff being proven to be artificial of course. I imagine that's part of what Milous is working on today.)
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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If it wasn't suitable, it wouldn't have been introduced in the top line trim. And if its "cheaper" then why not use it across the board!? If what will be used in the Overland is "real" and (allegedly) better, then why wouldn't they use THAT in the Summit, and THIS in the Overland (and down)?
That's exactly why I thought this material may not be "cheaper" than Nappa in the first place.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Let's just say it's way better in all aspects than leather could ever be. It just seems a little sneaky (marketing by whoever named it) to call it what they're calling it to make it sound like it's real leather. It's a little insulting to some of us who would actually do research on all the details of a vehicle. For most people they might not ever know.

I'm going to get mine reupholstered anyways with Kangaroo Leather for the seat (Those in Oz will verify that it's the best). I have a baseball glove made from it & it's sweet! The edges of the seat I think I'll have made out of some sort of reptile skin. Not sure yet. Any suggestions?
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If it wasn't suitable, it wouldn't have been introduced in the top line trim. And if its "cheaper" then why not use it across the board!? If what will be used in the Overland is "real" and (allegedly) better, then why wouldn't they use THAT in the Summit, and THIS in the Overland (and down)?

The best comparison I can think of is synthetic motor oil. Just bc it's not crude oil, definitely doesn't mean it's cheaper or lower quality. Bc we all know neither are true.

From what I see, this was introduced in the '12 Ram LL, carried over for the '13 LL, and is now being introduced here in the Summit.. So obviously it's proven. Bc undoubtedly there were skeptics inside the design labs. When it's all said and done, the only complaint ppl will have about it is that is not 100% leather, or leather at all.. And thats fine! Everyone is entitled to their opinion(s) and preferences. To each his own..

(This is all obviously based on the stuff being proven to be artificial of course. I imagine that's part of what Milous is working on today.)
Uh....synthetic motor oil starts as crude and is refined beyond regular oil to have the same size molecules. Lol.....
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Milous....you must come down from the mountain now as your people, who you have led from the land of MOPAR to the Kingdom of FIAT, have corrupted themselves. Their faith in Sergio and Ralph has been shaken by the holding up false leather as an idol.

What have you to say?
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Uh....synthetic motor oil starts as crude and is refined beyond regular oil to have the same size molecules. Lol.....
Uh synthetic motor oil has more non-oil content than conventional oil. But thats neither here nor there.. My point was how ppl were so leary to try it when it first was introduced, and now it's become an industry standard in premium vehicles. And so now nobody cares what all is in it. They just care that its better than regular oil, and holds up longer.

Idk why you try to debunk EVERYTHING I say, but it's really getting old. If you don't want me on your site, you can just say so and I'll leave. I get nothing from giving away info here. These Jeeps are gonna sell regardless, so I don't have to be here. I just figured it'd be nice for ppl to have someone inside the plant who goes out of their way to gain knowledge, that can keep them abreast to what's going on, and what they'll be getting. You'll notice I don't post in other threads. It's unfortunate that you too don't appreciate that as others have expressed their thanks.

I'm sure you've done your fair share of fact checking the things I've been spot on with, and when I'm wrong, I make it a point to correct myself. Yet you never make it a point to come back here and agree with me on ANYTHING. But it's ok. I don't really care. Again, I'm not here to make friends or anything like that. But I'm certainly not gonna kiss your a** just bc this is your site!... So you can ban me or whatever you wanna do. Again, I don't care. Soon everyone will see that ol Chevyboy was an asset after all, and you can continue to dismiss it. But again, what you're not gonna do is discredit me CONSTANTLY, when all I do is help.

Oh and by the way, I wasnt gonna say anything, but that lil rendition of the new SRT wheels in the other thread is waay off. But again, you'll soon see that it was your intel that was bad, not my first hand knowledge.
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Uh synthetic motor oil has more non-oil content than conventional oil. But thats neither here nor there.. My point was how ppl were so leary to try it when it first was introduced, and now it's become an industry standard in premium vehicles. And so now nobody cares what all is in it. They just care that its better than regular oil, and holds up longer.

Idk why you try to debunk EVERYTHING I say, but it's really getting old. If you don't want me on your site, you can just say so and I'll leave. I get nothing from giving away info here. These Jeeps are gonna sell regardless, so I don't have to be here. I just figured it'd be nice for ppl to have someone inside the plant who goes out of their way to gain knowledge, that can keep them abreast to what's going on, and what they'll be getting. You'll notice I don't post in other threads. It's unfortunate that you too don't appreciate that as others have expressed their thanks.

I'm sure you've done your fair share of fact checking the things I've been spot on with, and when I'm wrong, I make it a point to correct myself. Yet you never make it a point to come back here and agree with me on ANYTHING. But it's ok. I don't really care. Again, I'm not here to make friends or anything like that. But I'm certainly not gonna kiss your a** just bc this is your site!... So you can ban me or whatever you wanna do. Again, I don't care. Soon everyone will see that ol Chevyboy was an asset after all, and you can continue to dismiss it. But again, what you're not gonna do is discredit me CONSTANTLY, when all I do is help.

Oh and by the way, I wasnt gonna say anything, but that lil rendition of the new SRT wheels in the other thread is waay off. But again, you'll soon see that it was your intel that was bad, not my first hand knowledge.
Grow up! Ive never tried to "debunk" or "discredit" anything from u! Paranoid much? Do you want me tp put you on a pedastal and praise you for ur info? Im not even gonna respond to the rest. But it doesnt take long for people to show their true colors.....
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Don't make me duct tape the two of you to the wall.

That said, I see what Chevy is getting at. Most of us view "Synthetic" as "Lesser" then natural. When in reality, many synthetic things we use on a daily basis are superior to the natural variant.

..not all things, but a good portion.

In the case of the seats, a great many of us are gun shy of this Natrua stuff due to either bad experiences with faux leather, and the fact that Marketing is calling it "Leather".

Either we are worried with will crack/tear/fade (as we've seen before), or that we're being lied to. Benz atleast calls their faux leather MB Tex so that folks know the real deal versus not and can make an informed decision thusly.

I suspect that, just like the WK, the inserts will be Napa or such leather, but the bolters and everything else will be the Natura stuff.

Honestly, so long as the Natura stuff holds up (unlike the WK crap), I'm fine with it. BUT CryFi REALLY needs to say what it is and how it's used.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Perfect Jeepers!

I reckon it's the slowed trickle of tidbits lately. With the great pdf of the across the pond models which stoked the flames, there's so much info remaining to be tidbitted out about the imported from Detroit models here in the States. Milous and gang are working us poor masses into a frenzy.
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