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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

well there goes post 6000 but no news tid bit !!
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Re: Much as I find the 2014 intriguing, I'll wait a bit.

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I may be in the market for a vehicle this coming fall. The JGC in some upper level trim (Overland?) is a contender. I am hoping that 10-11 months will be enough time to get some of the inevitable bugs out. Even if I were in the market now I'd hesitate. My family has owned Jeeps before. Early models always had an element of risk. I'll let someone else take the risk of being "first"!
This would be more applicable in a model relaunch.. Not a refresh. Although this is a significant refresh, every upgrade has undergone months of testing, and most upgrades are already available in other ChryFi products.

Take this rear DVD setup for example.. I saw that at least 3 months ago. But despite that, Milous says its not gonna be available at launch. What does this mean? They are ALREADY working the bugs out.. This way when YOU get it, it actually works. It's not that parts aren't available, or any of the other things ppl come up with trying to make sense of it all.. It's about quality. I can't stress that enough. And you will NOT get a feature until they're happy with its performance. That isn't to say there will never be another recall/warranty issue, but working our way to the top of the Consumer Reports lists, is priority number one!
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Engine is not new, 8 speed is. US spec diesel also requires urea. Seems like order banks only open in US now so it migh be some time before everybody else will be able to order anything.

On the flip side with hemi and diesel you are getting orginal ZF tranny but with V6 you get Chrysler's made version of that tranny which is a little bit scary as this would be the first batch/run that you are getting.
Thanks. The decision's between the CRD and the Hemi at this point. The MPG numbers Milous posted today make it seem like a $500 annual gas savings to go with the CRD, which would lead me to think it's not worth the wait and possibly higher engine noise/smell.

I'm leaning more and more toward the Hemi. Maybe I'll catch the diesel train on my next go-round. I find it helpful to remember that this isn't the last car I'll ever buy
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Question: are the rear seats still heated? This would make my mother-in-law very happy!
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Re: Much as I find the 2014 intriguing, I'll wait a bit.

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I'd say the risk is somewhat smaller than usual because if you look at it, there is not much "new". New on the Jeep - yes. New for Chrysler - not that much.

I admit to a certain amount of trepidation with respect to Chrysler products. They don't exactly light up the reliability board! I'm really, really hoping that they can get the quality & reliability up to par with, say, Honda. I'm a big German car enthusiast & value the experience as much as anyone, but without quality I'll stay away. Then again, isn't the new 8 speed the same tranny used by BMW? The diesel looks interesting, but what kind of history does it have? Wasn't the last Jeep diesel something of a dog? In any event, with diesel a good 15% or so higher than gas in my area there has to be at least a 15-20% increase in fuel economy to justify it--and that's before the premium price for a diesel is factored in.

Still, the JGC is on the short list. I anxiously await road tests, reviews & reading of real owner's experiences.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:35 AM
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After all, who's taking his SRT to go off-roading?
SRT? I'd never take off roading, the CRD Summit I would though. Lots of low end torque = great in a trail climbing.

I'll have to see what's actually available on the Summit versus the Overland when the time comes I guess.

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...which would lead me to think it's not worth the wait and possibly higher engine noise/smell.
You must not hang out around modern diesel engines much. Go check out a VW Passat TDI...

These aren't the black smoke bleching clank monsters you see in pickup trucks.
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SRT? I'd never take off roading, the CRD Summit I would though. Lots of low end torque = great in a trail climbing.

I'll have to see what's actually available on the Summit versus the Overland when the time comes I guess.
I'm not sure if the tow-hooks can be retro-fitted on a Summit since I haven't seen it yet (and therefore, don't know how close its front comes to that of the SRT) - but I guess it will be possible to put skid-plates on a Summit as accessory.
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You must not hang out around modern diesel engines much. Go check out a VW Passat TDI...

These aren't the black smoke bleching clank monsters you see in pickup trucks.
Hence the qualifier "possibly". I know how VW/BMW/MB do it - I just don't know how Jeep will do it. Of course they're going to try to filter out / clean up all the noise and exhaust smoke. The only question is, how effective will they be at doing that? The other companies we're referencing have decades of passenger car diesel experience.
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Question: are the rear seats still heated? This would make my mother-in-law very happy!
Yes, Standard on all models except Laredo and Laredo E.
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Hence the qualifier "possibly". I know how VW/BMW/MB do it - I just don't know how Jeep will do it. Of course they're going to try to filter out / clean up all the noise and exhaust smoke. The only question is, how effective will they be at doing that? The other companies we're referencing have decades of passenger car diesel experience.
The engine maker started out in 1947
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"In January 2011, VM Motori launched its brand new engine 3.0L V6. With 241 CV and 550 Nm (410 lbft) the A630 is among the best diesel engines in its class. As result of the collaboration with Fiat Powertrain Technologies the engine features the Multijet2 technology for improved performance, fuel economy and NVH. The first applications of the 3.0L V6 are the 2011MY Grand Cherokee and the 2012MY Lancia Thema."

I have spoken to some owners here in Australia and on local forums about the reliability as i am also interested to know this and so far have not heard of any issues
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The engine maker started out in 1947
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LOL ok, good point.



I guess I'm just more of a "see it to believe it" guy on certain things, but I'd admittedly overlooked the history behind the engine manufacturer.
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If you wanted to see first hand what to expect, you can head over to a BMW dealership and check out a X5 535d or check out a GL 330 BluTech from a Mercedes Benz dealership.

That's what you can expect sound/exhaust wise (and performance wise, though the Jeep will be quicker off the line).

As for retrofitting. I think the skid plates on the Summit should be do able. The Tow hooks, depending on the front clip could be a major pain in the ass.

I'm also wondering if the Summit is stripped of other offroad bits though now.

It comes with QL/QD2? Right?
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