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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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This may be true, but the relationship btw VW and Chrysler has been great. VW is still paying Chrysler (Windsor Assembly) to build minivans for them, and has been for sometime now.. I doubt any qualms Fiat has with VW, would get in the way of making money. There may be a correlation btw this deal, and the previous agreement.
That's true but given what Marchionne said about VW and the conflict in the European association of manufacturers I don't think that he would do anything which only slightly favors VW.

Sergio Marchionne calls VW execs 'reprehensible,' singles out Piech
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:54 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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This may be true, but the relationship btw VW and Chrysler has been great. VW is still paying Chrysler (Windsor Assembly) to build minivans for them, and has been for sometime now.. I doubt any qualms Fiat has with VW, would get in the way of making money. There may be a correlation btw this deal, and the previous agreement.
Dunno about that one. Windsor hasn't built any Routans (RM) in months.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:58 AM
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Dunno about that one. Windsor hasn't built any Routans (RM) in months.
Take a ride down St. Jean.. There's still hundreds of them sitting in the yard. So they may/may not have stopped production, but it obviously wasn't too long ago.
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That's true but given what Marchionne said about VW and the conflict in the European association of manufacturers I don't think that he would do anything which only slightly favors VW.

Sergio Marchionne calls VW execs 'reprehensible,' singles out Piech
Oh I wouldn't doubt that he doesn't like them.. Heck there aren't many outsiders Marchionni does like. I actually enjoyed reading his letter in the paper tearing into Bob King's ass in the last contract negotiations. That may be bc I think the union is a shell of its old self, but thats another convo.. Marchionni calls it like he sees it. Straight shooter.. And I don't mind working for a dude like that..
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If you are running the numbers on diesel vs gas don't forget the cost of urea which will have to be replenished at each oil change. Also, diesels generally have a shorter oil change interval than gas as well as a larger capacity oil sump. Then there is the matter of diesel fuel filtration which will cost more to maintain. $$$$$$. Possibly our Aussie or European friends can give some guidance here although I believe they do not have to deal with urea.
I have been driving diesel cars since 2005 with the TDI Jetta and now a E350 Bluetec. My current oil change interval is 10k miles or once per year, which is considerably longer interval than a petrol version. Diesel comes down to personal taste, I personally like and prefer the 455 ft/lbs of torque driving a family car, no matter the extra cost!!
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I have been driving diesel cars since 2005 with the TDI Jetta and now a E350 Bluetec. My current oil change interval is 10k miles or once per year, which is considerably longer interval than a petrol version. Diesel comes down to personal taste, I personally like and prefer the 455 ft/lbs of torque driving a family car, no matter the extra cost!!
I switched from a 2004 gas Chevy pickup, to a 2006 Duramax Diesel, and the diesel is simply a better truck in every way, so it's okay that it costs more to buy & maintain. I will pay more for a diesel, and if a diesel was offered in the US before, I'd already have one.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I'm interested is a diesel too, for towing and overall economy.

It's hard to do the numbers what with the ever changing price difference between regular and diesel fuel. Using Milious (thanks) 2014 EPA combined mpg, 2WD diesel and gas V6 have equal fuel cost at a diesel price premium of $0.75/US gallon. Over the last two years diesel has averaged about $0.40/USgal more than regular gasoline.

A VW Toureg seems like the nearest competitor to the 14 WK2 in gas V6, diesel V6 and 8 spd trans.

Fuelly.org shows data for 32 owners over 331,000 miles for 2012 diesel of 25.1 mpg. That's 11% higher than the EPA combined figure.

Far fewer gas Toureg owners participate. Taking 2011 and 2012 together shows 4 cars, 19,000 miles 18.0 mpg, 4% lower than EPA combined.

Edmunds True Cost to Own shows a wash for the five year cost of a gas Lux model vs diesel Lux. I imagine higher capital and maintenance costs are exactly offset by lower fuel cost and less depreciation.

My take-away from this data is the CRD gives the operating cost of the gas V6 with the real world (not drag strip) power, especially when towing, of the Hemi. Beating the EPA estimate by 10% would be icing on the cake.

Some posters here and many at VW TDI forums report significantly better than EPA mileage on the highway. The fuelly data bears this out.
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Milous, come on. Don't do that to us Aussies. If you release pics Sunday evening in USA it will be well into Monday for us. We can't wait that long. Why not treat your side of the pond to a Saturday treat so we at least only have to wait until Sunday.....it's been sooooooo long.
Yeah, I agree, I too would like to see pictures earlier.
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I still think I'm going CRD even if it doesn't make financial sense. V-8 performance and towing while achieving better than a typical V-6 ... Using less oil/gas in general is a good thing in my mind ... It also seems as though modern diesels are cleaner and pollute less than today's gas engines. Around here diesel is $0.65 more than the cheapest gas ... Which seems like a lot more but the cheapest gas here has ethanol in it so that drops the efficiency more ... Personally I buy gas without ethanol for $0.10-0.15 more because it costs less overall when I factor in the lower fuel efficiency of gas with ethanol.

I still plan on going with the CRD ... I still have my hesitations due to hearing horror stories of the past that are probably overblown, but I'm trying to use my more logical brain my dad and brother always said "everyone needs to own a diesel at least once before learning better."

For diesel drivers ... Does it take longer to get warm in the winter for the heater to operate optimally?
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For diesel drivers ... Does it take longer to get warm in the winter for the heater to operate optimally?
No, they have additional heaters so there is no real difference.

I think it is fair to say that diesel engines are more complex than normal pertrol engines (turbo, cooling, injections, etc). Although I never had even a minor issue with my diesels (Mercedes and Alfa). I think there is simply more potential for expensive repairs, if you plan to keep the car for a long time this may be worth considering.
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Is a sweet looking design, I can now see the mean look the plant boys once spoke of.
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