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Old 01-10-2013, 01:39 PM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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For diesel drivers ... Does it take longer to get warm in the winter for the heater to operate optimally?
We have a VW TDI and a Subaru WRX parked outside side by side. I can say without a doubt that winter is a pain in the butt leaving for work in the TDI versus the gas car.

On the Subaru, if I let it warm up for 5 minutes I have enough heat avoid scraping the windshield and within another 5 minutes of driving, enough heat to really thaw things out.

On the TDI, you can let that thing idle for a half hour and still be scraping the windshield. The TDI does not begin to make any real heat until driven for about 10 minutes.

This is typical Wisconsin winters, 15-25 Deg. F outside temp.

While I think it is common in Europe for diesels to have available options for auxiliary heaters, I have not seen anything like that available state-side.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:42 PM
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The oil change interval of the european version is 20'000 km or one year (that one you get first).

One question of a member was about the heating system of the Diesel. It got in fact a suplementary heating. So often (not Volkswagen, their heating system is not good working) got it the much better heating than cars with gas engine.
Actually I got a CitroŽn with 3 liter Diesel - the heating is fantastic... after e view seconds it already starts.

My woman's Alfa Romeo Giulietta QV with gas engine diesn't start earlier and also not with this power.

It's 2 weeks ago, that I made a testdrive with the GC Diesel - surprise, surprise - the heating is fabulous too!
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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On the TDI, you can let that thing idle for a half hour and still be scraping the windshield. The TDI does not begin to make any real heat until driven for about 10 minutes.

This is typical Wisconsin winters, 15-25 Deg. F outside temp.
Having grown up in AK, I can say without a doubt that, regardless of engine type, if you live somewhere where it's truly cold in the winters and can't keep your car in a garage, an engine block heater is well worth the nominal cost. Not only will it cut down on the warm-up time, but more importantly it ensures the engine will actually turn over when temps get below 0.

I agree with your comments on the TDI - their energy efficiency is definitely a detriment when you're trying to defrost in the morning or warm your digits...they're not bleeding excess heat like a gas engine would.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:06 PM
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I would be extremely happy if the GC diesel comes with a heating system that actually gets warm right away.. glad to hear the VW is not "normal" in that regard.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:09 PM
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Please Milous, we need a new tidbit today... I don't know how much more of this Diesel chat I can take...lol
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Well I know for sure I'm getting a 2014 JGC, but I'm really torn between Bright White and Deep Cherry Red. I literally spent nearly an hour at the dealership comparing the red, white, and blue WK2s. (I figure an hour now is better than years of not digging my choice as much as the other one I could've went with.)

At first glance, I like the DCR best. I think it looks really classy on the WK2. I've seen spy shots of the Limited+ grille on the DCR and it looks good on it, and I'm sure it'd look good with the new Laredo grille too. On the other hand: maybe I'm totally off about this but while red is much less common than white, it's more noticeable than white, and so I think one is more prone to say "gee, another red car" than they are "gee, another white car". Almost like how thick hipster glasses are neat at first, but then more people start wearing them... and while they're still way less common than not thick glasses, people are more prone to tire of them faster because they're flashier than the not thick glasses. On the other other hand, why care about what other people think. The question is will I think this way when looking at it after owning it for a bit.

But anyway, I also really like the white. It's a sharp color, and it'll do a much better job of hiding dirt, scratches, and swirls. This will play a role in my decision, I'll just have to estimate how much I'll care about dirt, scratch, and swirl visibility and how much a role it should play in my decision...

In addition, there's not as much risk of the white fading (apparently red paint in general is more prone to fading compared to the other colors -- who knows if the DCR is vulnerable, or if modern paint largely resolved that problem). BUT, the jury is still out as to how good it'll look with the new grilles. Hopefully we'll see pictures of all the colors before the banks open. I'd consider swapping it with a black Limited grille if the stock Laredo grille didn't tickle my fancy. The other thing is, while on the one hand I think the white looks really sharp, on the other I almost wonder is if the white lacks "soul" and is too safe and clinical.

When I compared the two colors today, while I really liked both, I had to try a little more to like the white than I did the red. That doesn't mean I won't end up going with the white though.

As far as True Blue goes: the more I look at it the more I think it doesn't really do it for me as much as the red or the white does.

It's a tough decision for sure.
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We have a VW TDI and a Subaru WRX parked outside side by side. I can say without a doubt that winter is a pain in the butt leaving for work in the TDI versus the gas car.

On the Subaru, if I let it warm up for 5 minutes I have enough heat avoid scraping the windshield and within another 5 minutes of driving, enough heat to really thaw things out.

On the TDI, you can let that thing idle for a half hour and still be scraping the windshield. The TDI does not begin to make any real heat until driven for about 10 minutes.

This is typical Wisconsin winters, 15-25 Deg. F outside temp.

While I think it is common in Europe for diesels to have available options for auxiliary heaters, I have not seen anything like that available state-side.
I think there are aftermarket heaters to solve this problem. I think they are like little APU's that run off the engines fuel and electric supply to deliver rapid heating. I don't remember where I saw them and I don't know if they are compatible with diesel but some research may uncover them.
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Please Milous, we need a new tidbit today... I don't know how much more of this Diesel chat I can take...lol
For your post, without a doubt, +1
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Jeepers,

Since the turn of the century I've had 4 new cars, 3 white and one red. This one is going to be red. You can't go wrong with either IMHO.

But, get what you you like. Don't be concerned with what other people will think when they see it, unless it's your better half.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Enough of the diesel talk! Let's hear some more rear glass stuff!
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Enough of the diesel talk! Let's hear some more rear glass stuff!
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WE WANT THE FLIPPER.
And not the one under the sea Milous.
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