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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I want to order a new JGC, but I am just not sure how long I will have to wait. I just really want to see one in person before I buy. I really like the 2013, but I am hoping the new 8 speed trans will steer me back to the V6 option...
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

The JGC 2014 is a great car, no doubt about it. I finally made my purchase decision, albeit not for a Jeep. I bought a fully equipped 2012 BMW xDrive 40d instead.

You want to know more? If YES, read on and hear my decision criteria. If NO, please stop here.

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I was totally poised to purchase a new 2014 JGC Summit in Europe this year, and have been glued to the JG site for months taking in any tidbits.
Drove my wife almost crazy. I even paid a (refundable) reservation fee to a French Jeep dealer. Although I am "Off-Road Lite", I was attracted by the Jeep's off-road prowess.
Then Detroit came, and the new 2014 JGC was revealed. Things changed. Here are my reasons for not buying a Jeep this time:
    • Jeep's Sales Strategy: Jeep's image is "Off-Road", not luxury. If I want luxury, I go somewhere else. However, Jeep's idea of a "Summit" luxury model is good.
      Why not combining serious "Off-Road" with Luxury? Land Rover shows how to do it. Different to Land Rover, Jeep decided however that people wanting luxury wouldn't go extreme offroad.
      Probably right on a rational level but wrong on a psychological level. Jeep took Selec Speed Control and tow hooks away from the Summit. IMHO a bad decision.
      It means I shall pay maximum $ for the top model but be deprived of off-road features of the next lower model? No way! To my knowledge no other manufacturer is doing this.
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    • Summit Bling Bling: In my subjective opinion the Summit has too much bling bling. Its chrome design including the rims is too ostentatious, too much show-off instead of understated luxury.
      Someone in this forum said "pimpmobile". Drastic but an element of truth. Therefore, my choice would have been the Overland. The Overland gives in my view the better exterior design impression.
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    • Jeep's Packaging Strategy: Based on the above I would have taken an Overland. However I would have liked to have "Adaptive Headlamps" (European winding country roads) and the "High End Audio System".
      Not possible, because Jeep doesn't allow adding such features to the Overland. I do not like such dictate at that price level.
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    • Uconnect Harman Navigation: The Harman system doesn't allow importing preplanned routes, which is a very important feature for our vacation trips.
      It even does not seem to allow planning routes on the system by adding multiple waypoints. Difficult to understand such lack of feature.
      Harman is also doing the excellent BMW Navigation System. Jeep has all the required infrastructure (USB etc), so the feature I believe would have been a software add-on only.
      I wrote to Harman but did not get a response.
      .
    • Value Comparison:
      JEEP: A fully fitted 2014 GJC CRD costs in the US about US$58k (10% tax assumed) equivalent to about Euro45k. In Europe the same vehicle costs about Euro69k (2012 price + 2.5% + French Ecotax).
      BMW: The BMW with its bells & whistles costs in Europe new about Euro95k. The 1-year old BMW X5 xDrive 40d with 12k miles costs me Euro69k, the same as the new Jeep.
      In simple logic, at the same cost I can have a new car with a true value of 45k compared to an almost new car with an original true value of 95k.
The BMW choice allows me to have an almost new car with all the gadgets I like and which I can't have with the Jeep (Head Up Display, Adaptive Headlamps, Surround Cameras,
Cruise Control with Stop & Go, High End Audio, and 8.8" navigation system with the route import feature). I also like the BMW diesel engine with its 306 horsepower.
It also has the 8-speed tranny. xDrive gives it a "lite" off-road capability, even with hill-descent control. On the road the BMW is obviously almost without equal (Active Steering, Adaptive Drive).
Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining at all about the Jeep. The JGC is an absolutely great car. The BMW X5 is not an off-roader in any way comparable to the Jeep.

If I would live in the US and could buy at your prices, my decision might have been different. For anyone doing any serious off-roading, the BMW is a no-go.
For my personal situation, it seems to have been the right choice. I am happy with my decision.

I make the above comments and dare to write this long post to give feedback to Jeep (should their management ever see it) but mainly because I felt I should explain my decision to my JG friends,
who have accompanied and supported me so strongly and for so long time during the last months.

Milous, Marlon, Chevy, Scott, and all others, very big THANK YOU!

I made myself a lifetime member of JG, and will stay connected with the forum and you guys. May be the next 20xx JGC will improve further and some if not all of the above issues will become removed. Then the JGC could become my next car after the BMW.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Just got back from the auto show and I must say I likey very much!!! The wood that they had in the limited (which had Lux as well as Advanced Technology group) had some very nice texture to it. Not to bash on the 2011-2013's but this wood looks a lot better I think. Instead of being cheap plastic looking super glossy wood it is toned down and has a texture to it which makes it feel real. Also I think the update looks better in person than in the pictures. The 20" rims, dash, center touchscreen, and the steering wheel (most important in my mind) look great!

Has Milous come out to say what is going on with Lux package on the Limited? Because I think I have nailed down what I am getting after seeing them in person.

Limited in Black (or Maximum Steel) with Black Interior
Lux Package, Towing, 20" Rims, base V6

More excited now than ever... now just have to wait for the news on the limited lux!!
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I hope Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep is paying attention. Nice SUV Guennik.

See this Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...BCsseldorf.jpg

There's a market for a premium level vehicle with much less chrome. And with better color choices, like PX8 Black.

Don't get me wrong, I love my 2012 de-chromed brilliant black Overland, and love the new 2014 Overland, just feel that an option to get the Overland without chrome mirrors and handles would sell well too.
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For my personal situation, it seems to have been the right choice. I am happy with my decision.
That is all that matters. Congrats on your good value purchase.
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[*]Summit Bling Bling: In my subjective opinion the Summit has too much bling bling. It's chrome design including the rims is too ostentatious, too much show-off instead of understated luxury.
Hmm, was that any different on the MY13?

The 2013 Summit didn't have any less Chrome than the 2014.



I don't blame anybody for not liking the amount of Chrome on a Summit in general - but the claim that the MY14 "all of a sudden" has more Chrome is just incorrect.
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In addition to what bill_de said, you can also turn off the ACC function and have it work as a "regular" cruise control when you prefer it. I will admit that ACC took a little getting used to, but over a little time, my mind started to adjust so that I have only a few limited times when I unconsciously get "stuck" behind someone traveling slightly slower than my intended speed. I also like that it reacts pretty quickly to more sudden speed change situations, including starting braking when there is a need to slow quickly so that by the time my foot is on the brake, the process already started.
It's a good system,it's a shame it didn't have stop and go, now that would be nice!
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The JGC 2014 is a great car, no doubt about it. I finally made my purchase decision, albeit not for a Jeep. I bought a fully equipped 2012 BMW xDrive 40d instead.

You want to know more? If YES, read on and hear my decision criteria...
You have a valid point! I'm going to have a look at a x5 too also a 40d model, not because of the jeep itself, I love it, love the styling, features and the interior. It's the lack of information from Jeep UK and the dealers, I''m getting nothing from them, so I really don't know how long to wait. Tbh I wouldn't be supprised if they launch it January 2014, (Their slow like that) and thats just too long.

It's like they're trying to hide it, come on we do have computers uno and I did see the big reveal at the motorshow in Detroit.

Ive booked a test drive of a 40d X5 in the next few weeks, I'm making a purchase in March anyway so if I still hear nothing from Jeep, and the BMW is a nice drive, then X5 it is!
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It's like they're trying to hide it, come on we do have computers..
Huh, even in the U.K.?
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Hmm, was that any different on the MY13?

The 2013 Summit didn't have any less Chrome than the 2014.

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I don't blame anybody for not liking the amount of Chrome on a Summit in general - but the claim that the MY14 "all of a sudden" has more Chrome is just incorrect.
Hi GCOverland, as a matter of fact you are right. The 2012 JGC Summit also had a lot of chrome. Nevertheless, why does the 2014' feel more bling-bling?
May be because the 2012 chrome was in the right place, at the grille. I believe it is the front of the 2014 Summit that put's me off. Not the sides (although I like the 2012 rims more), not the rear.
Strangely, I liked the massive chrome front grill of the 2012/2013 but I feel put off by the 2014 low front chrome bar.
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In the end it is all about subjective personal preferences. Anyway, Jeep cannot meet everyone's taste, and I do not blame them for not meeting mine.
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It's the lack of information from Jeep UK and the dealers, I''m getting nothing from them,
Have Jeep US actually officially launched the 2014 GC with all pricing and specifications yet?
No, they have simply displayed it a motor show and said all info will be released closer to launch date.
So why would you expect Jeep UK let alone their dealers to be offering full info yet?
I am not asking any dealers here in Aus a single question before all US info is actually finalised and set in stone; it is pointless.

We have already seen some changes to the info posted, and all of it noted as not finalised.
Chill, a bit, let it come. Then once you have actual facts, rather than the early info you can start to make real informed decisions.

FYI, when quoting someone, especially very long posts, you do not have to quote the entire novel, just select the start of it so we understand the reference point.
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Hi GCOverland, as a matter of fact you are right. The 2012 JGC Summit also had a lot of chrome. Nevertheless, why does the 2014' feel more bling-bling?
May be because the 2012 chrome was in the right place, at the grille. I believe it is the front of the 2014 Summit that put's me off. Not the sides (although I like the 2012 rims more), not the rear.
Strangely, I liked the massive chrome front grill of the 2012/2013 but I feel put off by the 2014 low front chrome bar.
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In the end all about subjective personal preferences. Anyway, Jeep cannot meet everyone's taste, and I do not blame them for not meeting mine.
Guennik, you know, my first impression when I saw the initial pictures was: "Wow, a LOT of Chrome on the Summit".

Based on the initial reaction on the board, I guess others felt the same way and jumped on that initial conclusion, too. However (after my initial "shock"), I decided to have a closer look and compared it to the current Summit and came to the conclusion that - while the location where the Chrome was applied - the amount practically stayed the same.

I also believe that the initial pictures of a red Summit didn't help too much, either. That color is an optical "Chrome Booster". In addition to that, I also think that the limited number of Summits on the road - and therefore, limited numbers of Summit pictures - caused us to "forget" how much Chrome there actually is/was.

But I do understand what you were saying. I'm not a fan of compromises when it comes to my ride. My "perfect" Jeep would probably have been the exterior of the Overland with all the features of the Overland and Summit combined.

So I have to pick what's more important to me and since I'm not an off-roader, I decided on the Summit with the grey color to soak up the chrome-effect as much as possible.
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