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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I wonder which method would be faster as far as build-to-purchase-and-drive-away... ordering as soon as the order banks open, or waiting for the local dealers to get the ones they "order" in stock?

Just curious if the custom orders from the order banks (even if they're not uncommon configurations) are given a lower priority at the factory initially until the dealers stock up...
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I'm wondering those same things myself. I'm afraid the dealers won't be as "incentivized" to make a deal on ordering a '14 in December as opposed to picking one out of their stock if I wait a few months after they start showing up on lots. Problem is, they tend to order odd combinations of packages with lots of things I don't want and missing the things I do want.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Well, I've never been into diesel vehicles before but looking at the current numbers on the German website where you can actually combine the CRD and the HEMI, I think I've made my choice. I guess my next Jeep will indeed be the CRD.

The CRD is rated 0,5 seconds faster from 0-60 and on top of that, only consumes 8.2L instead of 14.1L. Of course, the 8-speed is going to even improve those numbers - but I guess that applies to both powertrains.

That really makes you wonder what advantages the HEMI has - I can't think of any..
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I think your conclusion is correct but the Hemi is actually faster than the German website says (tests of car magazins in Europe proof that) and I would think that in practice the CRD is not really quicker but eben if they match each other that's not an argument for the Hemi. In Germany though the Hemi is much quicker at high speeds on the Autobahn, that makes a difference, an expensive one. That should not be relevant to you in th US, though. But what makes a difference is the sound. I will get a CRD but the sound of a Hemi is just something else, but the price is to high at least at German fuel prices.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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I'm wondering those same things myself. I'm afraid the dealers won't be as "incentivized" to make a deal on ordering a '14 in December as opposed to picking one out of their stock if I wait a few months after they start showing up on lots.
Sounds like you and I have a lot in common. Only thing is there's no way I can wait a couple months for them to start showing up on the lots; I've waited long enough to get a new car as it is.

I'm not terribly worried though. I look at it like this, by ordering it's almost a guarantee (there is a risk that the order-er will pull out of the deal, but that's what the deposit is for) for the dealer that once they get the vehicle, it immediately gets sold. So it's easy money and an easy sales numbers increase for them.

I plan on calling up, or maybe e-mailing a bunch of the dealers in my general vicinity and telling them that I'm shopping around for the lowest price on an order. Personally, I can't imagine any smart dealer not giving me a good deal, thus losing an easy sale and potentially losing future service business as well.

But then again I could be totally wrong. I guess only time will tell.
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I think your conclusion is correct but the Hemi is actually faster than the German website says (tests of car magazins in Europe proof that) and I would think that in practice the CRD is not really quicker but eben if they match each other that's not an argument for the Hemi. In Germany though the Hemi is much quicker at high speeds on the Autobahn, that makes a difference, an expensive one. That should not be relevant to you in th US, though. But what makes a difference is the sound. I will get a CRD but the sound of a Hemi is just something else, but the price is to high at least at German fuel prices.
Absolutely.

I grew up in Germany (next to Munich, lived there for 20 years) and I certainly know what you mean. The Autobahn makes the decision between the two a bit harder - although economically, the CRD makes even more sense. Over there, the MSRP of the HEMI is 6K Euros more than the CRD and other than in the US, Diesel is cheaper than regular, mid-grate or premium gas (I'm not sure though about the vehicle tax. If I recall correctly, taxes were higher on diesel-powered vehicles but I don't know if it is significant on the Jeep. After all, I left Germany more than 10 years ago so I'm not up-to-date).

So in Germany, deciding between a HEMI and a CRD could really be a matter of affordability rather than simple choice. I'm totally happy even if the CRD is "just" as quick as the HEMI. Looking at the development of gas-prices in the future, the CRD seems to be the wiser choice.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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I wonder which method would be faster as far as build-to-purchase-and-drive-away... ordering as soon as the order banks open, or waiting for the local dealers to get the ones they "order" in stock?

Just curious if the custom orders from the order banks (even if they're not uncommon configurations) are given a lower priority at the factory initially until the dealers stock up...
Doesn't matter really, as there is no difference at MY launch. The cars are built and stored until predetermined ship dates. So you'll get your car with the order your dealer places. Same truckload.. Ordering LATER presents delays once full production and shipping has begun bc of priority orders ahead of yours. Which is what leads to ppl not getting their car for over a month. But ordering as soon as the banks open will be your best shot at getting one within days of them hitting the lots.

For example; when the order banks for '13s opened, you could probably get your car within a week from the time you first see one on your dealers lot. But NOW, being 40,000+ cars behind on orders (<<< we'll never catch up), you'd be lucky to see it before Thanksgiving. And many who order one even before the banks close, will be given a call saying their 13' order is cancelled and will be offered priority on a '14 (for more money of course). It's been like this the past few years. Last year I believe that number got as high as 100k cars, which sounds like a good problem to have, and is for us that work the OT, but from a customer standpoint, I'd imagine it can be annoying.
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I'm actually glad to hear of the backlog in orders, chevyboy - job security for more American workers.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

We ever going to hear what that tidbit is or has that been dropped?
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I can't say anything.

Milous can talk, nobody knows who he is.

We're 40,000 BEHIND on orders. Wow. I haven't checked lately, as the number is usually depressingly large. That explains the Sundays, most of which will never happen. If it isn't 2nd shift lead manpower issues (1st shift lead seems to never be a problem), it's parts availability. I did notice that they changed our awesome calendar back to normal BS. I was really looking forward to next July.

I have the strongest feeling Sundays still won't stop even with our new work schedule which I absolutely cannot wait for!

If you look at the sales numbers, you'd probably say "Huh? How are they behind?" but you guys don't have a CLUE how many exports we build!
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I can't say anything.

Milous can talk, nobody knows who he is.

We're 40,000 BEHIND on orders. Wow. I haven't checked lately, as the number is usually depressingly large. That explains the Sundays, most of which will never happen. If it isn't 2nd shift lead manpower issues (1st shift lead seems to never be a problem), it's parts availability.

I have the strongest feeling Sundays still won't stop even with our new work schedule which I absolutely cannot wait for!

If you look at the sales numbers, you'd probably say "Huh? How are they behind?" but you guys don't have a CLUE how many exports we build!
Yea, 40k was the last number I heard, and that was abt a month ago when we had that town hall in Body detailing how we're doing so far with WCM implementation, and quality numbers, etc..

And I've often wondered who ol' Milous is myself. This guy gets his hands on info before Sergio even knows what's gonna happen! Lol.. I wonder if hes the guru from Tech support who writes all the company programs like "Dashboard Anywhere" and provides all the info in "The Scoop."

I too can't wait for the new schedule. Definitely looking forward to spending more time AWAY from JNAP, and re-establish a "life," bc I no longer have one.
Although I just applied for skilled trades, so I may end up with a worse schedule.

And I agree, by the US sales alone, you'd think we'd have a 40k car surplus sitting stacked up outside like a scrap yard, but the export sales MAKE this vehicle the breadwinner that it is. NO vehicle in the US can compete with the 500k+ units a year F-150. The sales of that thing are ridiculous! But on a global scale, we've gotta be somewhere near the top.
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And I agree, by the US sales alone, you'd think we'd have a 40k car surplus sitting stacked up outside like a scrap yard, but the export sales MAKE this vehicle the breadwinner that it is. NO vehicle in the US can compete with the 500k+ units a year F-150. The sales of that thing are ridiculous! But on a global scale, we've gotta be somewhere near the top.
If you just think about it for a while, it just makes sense. The Grand Cherokee is a vehicle that "feels at home" basically anywhere in the world - and is affordable in its segment. The F-150 is "too American". That explains the great numbers over here - but in Europe? An F-150 on the Autobahn? Nope!

I guess the number of 40,000 would be even higher now without the introduction of the facelift.
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