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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information

My question is why is the summit V8 option $500 more than the limited and Overland. What am I missing here? Is this jeep pulling a fast one on us?
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information

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What dealership did you order from? Im looking for a good dealer to deal with.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information

Scott,

Thank you Sir. I will do just that.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information

Like others, I ran the math for my own personal scenario... In the best case scenario, the Diesel will take about 45,000 miles to make up the cost difference to the Hemi... and more like 80,000+ miles to make up the cost difference to the Penstar. That's assuming the Diesel does 20% better than EPA estimates, the cost of diesel stays flat in my area ($4/gal), and the cost of gas goes up 10% (from $3.40/gal -> $3.80/gal), and every mile driven is on the freeway with the engine fully broken in. I really can't slant it much more toward the Diesel; the results are already pretty unrealistic.

I often tow around 4-5,000 lbs, up to altitudes of about 7,000ft, so I was really thinking the Diesel would be great for me... but I don't plan on keeping the car long enough to justify that level of up-front investment, not even close. At this point, the Penstar is looking like a winner for me, even though that makes me quite sad. The extra ~150-200 miles per tank & extra 1,000 lbs of towing just aren't enough to make me interested.

I wonder why on earth there's such a big premium for upgrading to the Diesel... I'd expect that'll really dampen the demand.Hopefully the invoice price will be much closer!

And thanks for all the great info Milous.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information

CRD on the Summit version is $500 more then in the Overland? Does it have another Turbo or something???

Also, I'm confused on this:
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Skid Plate Group (ADL)
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Don't you HAVE to have the V8 or CRD to get the AWB part of the ORA2 pack?

What's the $295 amount for to get a trail rated sticker on the side of your V6 and the skid plates?

I'm assuming Invoice will be about 10% under the MSRP for options (as it was for the previous model) but not 10% on the base trim (it was about 6% there).

The premium on the CRD is killer... the diff between the CRD and the V8 is roughly (in my area) about $300 a year given current fuel prices, EPA estimates and putting 15k miles on the rig per year.

...that's closing in on 8 years to pay off the diff (around 115k miles).

Now, granted, I am 100% sure the CRD will beat EPA estimates, but still... holy hell...

Given that CryFi doesn't have a warranty that covers the CRD out beyond the normal warranty, I think someone at CryFi should rethink one of these decisions (pricing on engine or the warranty issue).
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:11 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information

The Diesels biggest saving will come when towing a heavy load. At that point the savings become huge. I would love to give some percentage style difference on consumption but I can't.

Basing of Aus figures for 5sp box, the Diesel reaches peak Torque from 1800RPM, while the Pentastar reaches it at 4300RPM.
Added to that is the massive difference in peak torque values, the diesel has 58.5% greater torque.
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The Diesels biggest saving will come when towing a heavy load. At that point the savings become huge. I would love to give some percentage style difference on consumption but I can't.

Basing of Aus figures for 5sp box, the Diesel reaches peak Torque from 1800RPM, while the Pentastar reaches it at 4300RPM.
Added to that is the massive difference in peak torque values, the diesel has 58.5% greater torque.
Oh.. no doubt.

Towing or hill climbing, the CRD will just beat either of the petrol engines into the ground both measured in speed and MPG (hell, it is faster then either one of them in a 0-60 without towing anything (source)).

I still plan on getting the CRD, but I'm NOT happy with the conditions (either the price point should have been in line with the V8 OR the warranty options should be the same as any other from CryFi).

That all said, versus my current rig, the CRD will make it's own payment in fuel savings once per year.

Having driven the V6... I just.. can't do it. It seems under powered and peak happy (the 5 speed was atleast). So it's either the V8 or the CRD. And in my experience, petrol engines do closer to the lower end of their EPA ratings while diesels trend to the higher end (usually beating the EPA estimates).
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...Don't you HAVE to have the V8 or CRD to get the AWB part of the ORA2 pack?
Yes, now clarified in post # 1.
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CRD on the Summit version is $500 more than in the Overland? Does it have another Turbo or something???
Summit CRD includes QDII/ELSD which is Optional on the Overland.
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Summit CRD includes QDII/ELSD which is Optional on the Overland.
Ah ha... I assume that's why the V8 Summit is $500 more than the V8 Overland as well.

Good to know.

Any idea on if CryFi will be altering their warranty offerings once the CRD is actually available?
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

I am advised my 2014 order will be built in March and delivered in July to Australia.. still waiting on a VON.
But then again I ordered an Overland CRD and locally there is no (formal) advise if the Summit will come here in which case and depending on price gap I would change the order.

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Can an order be changed, for example, from Overland to Summit and stay in the "queue" so to speak?
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