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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

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We're certainly getting close! Is 5 days away from a current date the record so far? Haha... Thinking positive... Though I'm not really sure if the May 7th date is for Canadian orders as well?

I am getting anxious, but more so for the reviews . The late Blu-ray availability will keep me on the sidelines and that TrailHawk has me interested... But unsure. Milous' timeline says 'Fall 2013' and based on the weather I figured it was already here, lol... 3 days of 'warm'... Then summers over... Blizzard.

I am particularly interested in actual fuel economy numbers (who knows, maybe trying to get get closer to their 30mpg number is part of the delay?). The environmental requirements in the North American market unfortunately make the European numbers largely irrelevant. Check out how in 4 years the fuel economy of a VW Golf got consistently worse, all due to meeting the government standards on what goes out the tailpipe.
The way these numbers were calculated by the EPA changed over the years. Also, the major changes in emissions didn't happen until 2007. My 2006 beetle still smelled like a diesel. My 2009 Jetta seems to produce no oder.

That said, post 2006 there is no question, in my mind, U.S regulations have hurt fuel economy and over all environmental impact of diesels. European diesels at the same horsepower have less CO2 emissions per mile driven then ours.
We calculate emissions by the gallon of fueled burned. In Europe, improved economy means improved emissions but not here is the U.S.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

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We're certainly getting close! Is 5 days away from a current date the record so far? Haha... Thinking positive... Though I'm not really sure if the May 7th date is for Canadian orders as well?

I am getting anxious, but more so for the reviews . The late Blu-ray availability will keep me on the sidelines and that TrailHawk has me interested... But unsure. Milous' timeline says 'Fall 2013' and based on the weather I figured it was already here, lol... 3 days of 'warm'... Then summers over... Blizzard.

I am particularly interested in actual fuel economy numbers (who knows, maybe trying to get get closer to their 30mpg number is part of the delay?). The environmental requirements in the North American market unfortunately make the European numbers largely irrelevant. Check out how in 4 years the fuel economy of a VW Golf got consistently worse, all due to meeting the government standards on what goes out the tailpipe.

That's a great graphic and it's true the EPA numbers have consistently gone down. But look real hard at the actual user numbers below, I currently own an 03 TDI Golf (w 230K+ miles now) and it never gets below 45-46 mpg in town and consistently gets 48-49 on the highway with highs in the low 50's in cold weather. The current Passat is the same way, touches 50mpg on the highway with EPA numbers at 43. I doubt the bigger 3.0 liter will get 6-7 mpg better numbers like the smaller 4 bangers get, but I'll bet the CRD will get 32-33 highway after it breaks in.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:23 PM
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I'm thinking the delay was purely so that they could produce for offshore sales. They know the CRD sells like hotcakes for the Aussies and in the EU. My guess is that they bumped back North America sales to focus on getting CRD's out the door for the known markets. NA is still a relatively unknown market for diesels in SUVs, especially for Jeep. It makes the best sense to build them for where you know you will move em first, and then setup a run for new markets.

My hope is that CRD opens on May 7th, else I'll have to start taking the other models I've looked at a bit more seriously.
Something to tide you over. 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit 4x4 EcoDiesel vs. 2013 Mercedes-Benz ML350 BlueTec vs. Porsche Cayenne Diesel vs. Volkswagen Touareg TDI - Luxury Diesel SUV Comparison - Motor Trend

Last month, I think Milious updated the CRD production date on the 29th of March for what was assumed was a April 2nd order date. If we can just make it to Monday without any changes .....
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If we can just make it to Monday without any changes .....
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Had to take a taxi to work today cuz my 99 WJ didn't start. If I can't order my CRD on Tuesday I might have a panic attack.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Hey folks, need some help. I just went to order a new 2014 Laredo E with the 18" wheel and RA3 radio group, option AEX. I was told this option is closed. Any idea why, and if it will be available again. I really don't want to spend 5 more grand to get the 8" radio, because this radio is still available in the other trim levels, and in every other Dodge, Chrysler product.
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What was the explanation for the order being closed?
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

I thought the order banks for most things are closed until May 7.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Had to take a taxi to work today cuz my 99 WJ didn't start. If I can't order my CRD on Tuesday I might have a panic attack.[/QUOTE]

I have a similar problem but not that bad. One vehicle is 10 years old and the other is 12. One is barely holding on. I would also be frustrated but will likely still wait.

I am not being cheap in not buying a new vehicle, have been looking for over a year, I just am particular about what I buy. The technology in the new JGCs is unmatched in its class. The suspension was designed by Mercedes, the electronics are state of the art, and when the CRD is released, it will have the best fuel economy in the world for its class. No slight to anyone here, the Pentastar is an excellent engine, but for me it is not big enough for this truck. The Hemi is an excellent engine. However, for someone who keeps their vehicles 10-12 years, and remembers the Arab oil embargo, the price of gas is not going down over the long haul, and it is a thirsty engine.

Taurreg, Audi A7, Porche Cayanne are essentially the same vehicle, all built on the same platform. The Taureg has the bells and whistles intentionally omitted so that they can justify the cost of the A7 and Cayanne. JGC CRD is still THE vehicle.
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I thought the order banks for most things are closed until May 7.
Yes, I also was told the order banks were closed, but the salesman said he should still be able to select that option, and build the car, we just could not order it until the sales banks open up. He was unable to even select this option, whereas he could the other options I wanted. He also showed me a sheet that showed the 20" wheel and radio group option as closed ( yes it said 20 insted of 18 I'm assuming typo).
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I ordered April 30th the banks were wide open
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I ordered April 30th the banks were wide open
In the past, it has been said here, existing orders could be changed. So, to the customer, this is a new order but in the system it may be an existing order. So, just because the order banks are closed for the month doesn't mean a dealer can't change an existing order already in the system and give you a VON.

The factory is predicted to only have so many parts. For instance, if they know they only have enough carpet for 500 blue interiors then the ordering system will cut off at that number. They predict how many blue interiors will be sold during that production cycle. One month they might have not enough blue carpet the next month they might have too much. If they won't have the parts then they can't build it in the current production cycle. The next production cycle order banks open on May 7th. Some parts, because of production capacity at the source, might be limited every month. In this case it is important to order at the beginning of the cycle for items that are in short supply. I'm confident the CRD's will fill up early in the cycle and won't necessarily open again the following month. By calling dealers, the factory knows, almost exactly, the size of the first U.S. CRD production run.
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I ordered April 30th the banks were wide open
For the dealer to enter into their own system, but NOT to submit orders to the factory.
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