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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

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Cars can be scrapped at any part of the build process for various reasons. It happens more often than you'd think.. Most common is after paint.

Scrapping a car during the Assembly process is rare, but has happened too. Ive seen cars fully assembled that were headed to the junk pile. Again, for various reasons.
When this happens, what happens to the order? Do they reuse the VIN or VON? Does the Dealer have to send a new order? Does your status change back to prerelease?
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:48 PM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Nope.. Dealer does nothing. Everything is rescheduled 'in plant.'

Most times the order just gets added to the next day and/or shift's production.. 99% of the time when a car gets scrapped it's nothing more than a shell that needs repairs that exceed the cost of the body itself. Other times its a painted shell that has too many blemishes, and again, the needed repairs just warrant scrapping it.

Cars RARELY get scrapped once they're in Assembly, bc the cost of repairs is often a drop in the bucket compared to scrapping it. The closer it gets to rolling off the line, the more they will try to save it. This mostly happens when there's an issue with something that NOBODY would know exist until the vehicle reaches a certain tech's station and they can't install something properly bc of a defect with the body or something. At this point there's a fine line between whether something can be fixed, or whether the car will be junked. Most times it will be fixed. Other times, especially if its an outside supplier issue, the car(s) will be scrapped/sold to the supplier. Or we'll fix it but bill them for the repairs. This can break a suppliers back when there's something major and Chrysler calls and says, "hey there Mr./Mrs. Supplier, yea ummm, we're down right now bc your parts were junk and you're gonna pay for it!" These (assembly side) situations are rare, but do happen. And when they do, EVERYTHING stops. Which is mighty costly!

But for the buyer, you'll never know.. Nor will your dealer.
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Thanks Chevy for the explanation. I work with Tier 1 and 2 automotive suppliers and see the pressure they get from their customers (the auto assembly plants) for 0% defect and 100% functional testing and inspection....all while maintaining a supply chain that is "Just In Time" (JIT). Often times these Tier 1 supplier plants are making parts less than 24-48 hours before they are on the vehicle! That creates a lot of pressure to not screw up. Everyone knows that an entire truckload can be rejected if a single bad part is found at assembly. And stopping the line due to parts shortage...as you said, the kiss of death.

It is amazing how little inventory of build parts are on hand at any one time....and even more amazing how smoothly JIT manufacturing works....until it doesn't. Then the house of cards falls. Its an unbelievable balancing act.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Absolutely.. In order for JIT to work efficiently, inventory counts MUST be done DAILY, AND before/during EACH shift! There are ppl in the plant who's only job is to count stock all day long. We call em stock chasers. They are the bridge, if you will, between reality and what the computer says we have. And the computer is ALWAYS wrong. There's just no way to keep it 'right.' Bc everyday on every shift, parts are scrapped or rejected. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten low on parts, went over to the computer to see what's in the yard, and see nothing in the yard and a trailer 'in transit' scheduled to come like 3 hours later. So I get ahold of the SC and my supervisor, and they come over like, "well the computer says you have 200 of em on the floor, what happened to em?" Then I tell em idgaf what the computer says, they ain't here!.. So you can just imagine how screwed up things can get if counts weren't done multiple times a day.

This also obviously comes into play when ordering.. You may hit D1 status bc the computer thinks we have the parts to build your car, but in reality, those parts could be in transit or get rejected by us, or by the suppliers own QC, and then the order gets idled come time to build it, and we end up building others ahead of yours.

So JIT has its pros and cons. From the supplier side I'm sure they'd prefer to be able to load up on their stock and ship it out to get ahead. But most of them, even if they could do that, still would be shipping stuff out JIT. They simply can't keep up as is. It's a good problem to have I guess, until they have an actual problem. Cause as you said, when a supplier has a major issue with parts, it's like falling on a sword. And the costs can easily wipe out months of profits, if not take em under.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

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Cars can be scrapped at any part of the build process for various reasons. It happens more often than you'd think.. Most common is after paint.

Scrapping a car during the Assembly process is rare, but has happened too. Ive seen cars fully assembled that were headed to the junk pile. Again, for various reasons.
Fifty years ago, Chrysler would ship this crap to us. The rep would tell us to "fix it" and give him the bill. Chrysler would eventually credit our account, but in the meantime we had a lemon in the shop and/or on the lot. We once had a "sold" 300 that looked like it fell off the truck. We lost the customer, and we eventually auctioned the car.

It is good to hear from the guys who build the product that 21st Century Chrysler/Jeep seems to care.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Hello,

First, I would like to thank everyone for all the great info.

I will be buying a 2104 Overland, and will have to order, because of the options/colors I want. I PMed a member who said his dealer gave him 5% below invoice, but have not heard back.

Question: Does anyone have a recommendation for a dealer in LA County (or even Southern California) that will give a good discount? (I am a member of an Affinity Group and have a discount number).

Thanks.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Hey everyone,

I didn't know if this would be more appropriate for the diesel production thread, but had a question for those of you who have successfully tracked your build via MOTS.

I placed an order @ 2 weeks ago (8/10) for a '14 Overland CRD and the status is still showing as "not yet scheduled" while other similar builds seem to have moved to "pre-release" and or D1 in a matter of days/less than 2 weeks. Is there any rhyme or reason to this process? Any intel is much appreciated. I'm anxiously awaiting delivery!
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

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Hey everyone,

I didn't know if this would be more appropriate for the diesel production thread, but had a question for those of you who have successfully tracked your build via MOTS.

I placed an order @ 2 weeks ago (8/10) for a '14 Overland CRD and the status is still showing as "not yet scheduled" while other similar builds seem to have moved to "pre-release" and or D1 in a matter of days/less than 2 weeks. Is there any rhyme or reason to this process? Any intel is much appreciated. I'm anxiously awaiting delivery!
You need to find out if your dealer has allocation or not.... If your dealer is not slated to get any diesels it will sit like that for a while. Your dealer is the only one who will know if he has allotment and or has used it all up.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Chevyboy is saying there is a hold up at the plant. Sounds like a supply issue (not sure what) but it is holding all JGC back on production and shipping. Sounds like the issue is not just affecting Chrysler, but other auto manufacturers too. Sound like the people in D1 are going to have to wait also.
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What would be the most common thing that affects all manufacturers? Huh, tires, I think.
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What would be the most common thing that affects all manufacturers? Huh, tires, I think.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Michelin is voluntarily recalling 100,000 tires after a retailer discovered that some had holes and quickly deflated.

The recall affects certain sizes of Michelin's LTX M/S 2, X Radial LT2 and Latitude Tour tires. The tires are typically used on light trucks and SUVs.

The puncture, in the sidewall, was caused by machines used to handle the finished tires. The tires were made in Michelin's Lexington, S.C. plant.

There have been no reports of damage, death or injury. Michelin says about 2,500 of the recalled tires may have the defect.

Customers who may have purchased the tires will be notified by mail beginning next week. Customers who have already replaced the tires may be reimbursed.

Owners can contact Michelin at 1-855-851-4951 or www.michelinman.com/voluntarysafetyrecall.

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The tire recall was for 100,000 tires in late July. Most tire plants make anywhere from 10k to 50k tires a day depending on size. If we assume that the particular 18 and 20 inch Latitude we need was 10% of production then this could create a 20 to 100 day delay once current inventories are exhausted I suspect they had about 1 month of inventory.

Too bad I can't buy 4 tires of my choice and ship them to JNAP.

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