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Old 08-26-2013, 10:32 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

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Yes, I only heard or read bits and pieces about the frame issue. I didn't know they were being outsourced to South Africa I figured they were talking about a domestic supplier.

Regardless, of where any manufacturing is outsourced to, the same statement apples. In an improving economy, outsourcing becomes less profitable; regardless of where the manufacturing is outsourced to.
Yes, I also believe that outsourcing should be carefully considered as some situations it makes sense and you are correct some situations it may be more costly.
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:47 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

I can't imagine that Jeep will allow an outside supplier to cut into their profits for any length of time. They may allow a short term work stoppage, but if it goes of for more than a week or two, I'm sure they will look for other options.
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Remember the big picture. Outsourcing is the new reality in an attempt to stay competitive and yet maintain one of the highest standards of living in the world. Yes, our unskilled labor force lives better than most others. Outsourcing to US sources is not the last stop...their are less expensive options in Mexico and beyond. Most people that work for these US tiered suppliers are very thankful for the opportunity to work. Their jobs leave the country otherwise.

I am a realist although I don't like reality....this has hurt me financially but I don't see things going back to the old ways. The South won't rise again, so to speak.

I don't like it anymore than the guys at JNAP do...but that's unfortunately how it works in the real world.

Anyways, let's hope that everyone gets back to work making quality products and earning a good living. I'm not anti-anything. I'm buying AMERICAN....MADE IN DETROIT!

I, for one, can't find any info on the source of seat brackets. Could be here or in SA....or anywhere, really.

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I don't think the automobile industry will move out of Michigan.

I think everyone has forgotten what an improving economy is.
I certainly have forgotten....its been awhile. I was more successful in 2001 then now....ouch.

The recipe for success is productivity and quality rewarded with fair pay. Detroit can do it....but each and every employee has to commit to it as a team.

There is a rash of JGC quality issues at the moment...electronics related, it seems. Let's hope it improves!

We'll see.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

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The recipe for success is productivity and quality rewarded with fair pay. Detroit can do it....but each and every employee has to commit to it as a team.
I think your right.

What's good for the employees is good for the company and whats good for the company is good for the employees. Organizations that take this to heart, I believe, will out perform those that don't in the long term.

Getting praise from a manager for well done job is more important than a pay increase. Having a company sponsored after school program where parents don't have to worry about where their kids are might be more important than a pay increase. Reducing stress on an employee regardless of its source can work wonders in the work place.

Trusting your manager is trying to make your life better is also just as important. Building that trust takes time.

Any "us and them" way of thinking within an organization is toxic to the whole, a "we" way of thinking works.

I have talked with more than one employer who didn't want under any circumstances make their employees' life easier, even at the cost of productivity. That was definitely a toxic attitude.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

In the short term, a company can increase productivity out of the employees. In the long term, it back fires. The employees leave, causing the company to spend more to train new employees. They figure out quickly it is not the best place to work, and the spiral down continues. If a company wants long term success, it must treat it's employees well.
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In the short term, a company can increase productivity out of the employees. In the long term, it back fires.
So true....unless:

1. The business invests in technology to allow a person to work smarter, not harder...and still be more productive, with less stress. (Automation, Process Improvements)

2. some mechanism is in place to reward productivity....like REAL profit sharing, meaningful bonuses.

A person is only good for a certain level of productivity unless the employer provides a way to work smarter and/or more stake in the outcome... There are so many factors where everyone can win if done right....or someone else will have the opportunity to try when the company fails. Mules are no longer used in farming. A man and a tractor is less labor but more productive.

Anyways, I hope JNAP is running today. Anybody heard?

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee - Ordering Information and Pricing

Hey everyone, I've been a creeper on this thread for awhile, just waiting for the release of the Grand Cherokee diesel. I have some questions and I apologize if they've been answered (once or a million times) - I could only go through so many of the 643 pages of posts.

1. When can we expect to see the diesels on the lot at the local dealer? I've seen delivery dates for individuals that have placed their order, so I assume it could potentially be around that time. But we all know what assuming does...

2. Without first test driving this vehicle, how do you know it's all it's cracked up to be? Trust me, I've been drooling over this thing for months now like everyone else, but I'm a bit reluctant (okay scared really) to pull the trigger and order one before I know what it feels like to drive. It's a new engine that hasn't been used in a GC before, correct? So how do we know it doesn't suck long-term?

3. What's the warranty? 100,000 miles like all other Jeeps? My local dealer where I bought my last Jeep from offers lifetime oil changes free (it ends up being about $13 after taxes and disposal and such, but still). Do you think those incentives will continue with the diesel?

Thanks for everyone's feedback in advance. I'm getting this Jeep pretty much no matter what, but I have this problem where I have to think things through and I'm too logical, so I question things a lot before making a decision. :-)
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Hey everyone, I've been a creeper on this thread for awhile, just waiting for the release of the Grand Cherokee diesel. I have some questions and I apologize if they've been answered (once or a million times) - I could only go through so many of the 643 pages of posts.

1. When can we expect to see the diesels on the lot at the local dealer? I've seen delivery dates for individuals that have placed their order, so I assume it could potentially be around that time. But we all know what assuming does...

2. Without first test driving this vehicle, how do you know it's all it's cracked up to be? Trust me, I've been drooling over this thing for months now like everyone else, but I'm a bit reluctant (okay scared really) to pull the trigger and order one before I know what it feels like to drive. It's a new engine that hasn't been used in a GC before, correct? So how do we know it doesn't suck long-term?

3. What's the warranty? 100,000 miles like all other Jeeps? My local dealer where I bought my last Jeep from offers lifetime oil changes free (it ends up being about $13 after taxes and disposal and such, but still). Do you think those incentives will continue with the diesel?

Thanks for everyone's feedback in advance. I'm getting this Jeep pretty much no matter what, but I have this problem where I have to think things through and I'm too logical, so I question things a lot before making a decision. :-)
1. Should be in showrooms by end of October
2. This engine has been used in Europe with great success. The change here will only be the addition of Urea to the exhaust. Yes, had some reluctance buying without test driving initially, but looking at initial reviews, and seeing the stats for Torque and speed, and sound, I have no doubt this diesel engine will exceed my expectations. Have already test driven the Hemi and loved it. The only difference will be the engine, and this engine should purr.
3. Same warranty across all models. As for the oil changes, that is up to your dealer. Diesel uses 8 quarts oil, so might be a little more for the oil costs. However, oil changes may be up to 10,000 miles apart.
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... Diesel uses 8 quarts oil, so might be a little more for the oil costs. However, oil changes may be up to 10,000 miles apart.....
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Remember, the diesel uses a very specific Full synthetic. Only 3 different oils I know I can get that meet the spec here in the states. AmsOil at present does not have an oil that will work. All of them are around $9 a quart. That's $72 just for the cost of oil and then there's labor, filters, etc.... The Oil must meet Spec:
Chrysler MS-11106.

Make sure your dealer uses the correct oil.

In the "DIESEL SUPPLEMENT" they suggest: "Pennzoil Ultra Euro L full synthetic 5W-30 motor" oil"

Pennzoil also has "Pennzoil PlatinumŽ European Ultra Diesel 5W-30 Advanced Full Synthetic Motor Oil"

Mobil has "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30"

These 3 meet MS-11106. I'm sure others will list this spec. soon. Look for the MS-11106 spec on the back of the bottle; it should also list "ACEA C3"...
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I used this one one my 07 crd wk and it meets the spec ACEA C3. I found it at S & G auto for those in Michigan fire around $7 a quart. The Total oil also met the Mercedes spec for long life and low ash.

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I used this one one my 07 crd wk and it meets the spec ACEA C3. I found it at S & G auto for those in Michigan fire around $7 a quart. The Total oil also met the Mercedes spec for long life and low ash.

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It doesn't mention the CHrysler Spec. or the VW 507 spec. I would be nervous.

Amsoil has one that meets all of those builder specs plus a few more, but they still don't say it meets the Chrysler MS-11106 spec...

Edit: I mean when you actually call Amsoil they will tell you, they have no motor oil for your car.
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