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V6 - I am very happy with the way it shifts, one of the best I have owned. 26 15.76%
V6 - Mostly pleased, I turn off ECO or run in Sport to get best results. 38 23.03%
V6 - Not very happy, I don't find any of the driving modes good. 14 8.48%
V6 - Terrible, Shifts harsh a lot, I get jerks and lurches. 19 11.52%
V8 - I am very happy with the way it shifts, one of the best I have owned. 47 28.48%
V8 - Mostly pleased, I turn off ECO or run in Sport to get best results. 15 9.09%
V8 - Not very happy, I don't find any of the driving modes good. 3 1.82%
V8 - Terrible, Shifts harsh a lot, I get jerks and lurches. 3 1.82%
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Re: 2014 JGC Transmission Survey

I just joined the forum, and shopping for a JGC. I'm not an owner, just a shopper, but I'll offer my test drive experiences FWIW.

Test drove a V6 Overland, did not see any of the fit and finish issues described by some on this particular vehicle. My wife and I were very impressed with the vehicle overall, especially the interior finish, appearance and design inside and out, and tech features. However on the beginning of the drive the tranny seemed to lug at first, then shifted (I should say lurched) into a lower gear, lurching again into another when I eased off the gas trying to "help" it find the right gear. I'm not an expert by any means but it really felt like something was out of whack.

When I remarked on this to the salesman in the back seat he told me "you must have hit one of those shift paddles on the steering wheel" (I hadn't), and then reached through the back seat and turned off eco mode. After that the GC drove well except for an occasional rough downshift.

Immediately after I test drove the V8 and it seemed very smooth, both in and out of eco mode.

Not to generalize, just offering my experience on these two particular vehicles.
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Re: 2014 JGC Transmission Survey

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All he's saying is Internet forums and polls are kinda skewed. Larger % of people come to forums and vent while tens of thousands of other people are out enjoying their truck not on the web so the sample size of "bad" looks bigger through the web forum prism. Doesn't mean people's problems aren't real or someone didn't get a lemon - that happens to all manufacturers.
I understand it is skewed. I expect the real number to be closer to 10 to 20% as I have said in previous posts. That would still be ridiculously high for tranny problems imo.

Jeeps fit and finish does not compare to honda as others have posted. no way. But honda's awd does not compare to jeeps 4wd. no way. That is a reasonable trade off for many in favor of jeep imo.

BUT the tranny has to WORK, otherwise honda pilots and crv make more sense imo.
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Wolf run,

So when can we expect to see pictures of your V8 powered Overland.

Your observation seem consistent with the poll's finding. Driving them back to back probably gets the most objective findings.

The only thing I don't like with the V8 model in ECO, is when I have to stay at 25mph or less for more than an eight mile, the tyranny finds its way into 5th gear and the engine ain't too happy about it.. Pulling out of my development I turn it off, and turn it back on once on a main road. I wish with an auto transmission I could just put it in"D" and go.



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Eco mode is how Jeep gets the higher gas mileage. I'm no expert but seems to be keeping the truck a gear higher than normal keeping RPMs very low saving gas. If you've ever driven a stick you know the feeling if you shift into too high a gear compared to engine speed. With 8 gears the bands are pretty small so they tweak it that way to save gas. Very possible with a heavy truck and v6 it might feel little sluggish off the line especially going up a hill. Pushing the Eco button off you can see the RPMs jump up a bit and the truck becomes more responsive to gas pedal but at the price of mpg or 2 less. Switching in and out of Eco mode should produce no jolting feeling under normal acceleration. 8 speed trans seem to getting pretty common now with many manufacturers.
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Wolf run,

So when can we expect to see pictures of your V8 powered Overland.

Your observation seem consistent with the poll's finding. Driving them back to back probably gets the most objective findings.

The only thing I don't like with the V8 model in ECO, is when I have to stay at 25mph or less for more than an eight mile, the tyranny finds its way into 5th gear and the engine ain't too happy about it.. Pulling out of my development I turn it off, and turn it back on once on a main road. I wish with an auto transmission I could just put it in"D" and go.




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I am with you bill its an auto should just put it in D and go, instead three things to pick from forced eco D, non eco D and sport. and if choose non eco D it should stay in non eco D.
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Ok good but what if when I add in the 25,000 people who aren't on this forum the number drops to 1 or 2% with problems. Still too high? Does anyone think any car maker has 0% defect rate? Nice dream sure but ain't gonna happen in any large scale mass production.

As far as fit and finish and gap alignments go I agree with other person who said earlier did you look at the car before you bought it? If you ordered maybe not a good idea to order sight unseen or at least examine dozens on the lots first to see if they meet your expectations first.
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Ok good but what if when I add in the 25,000 people who aren't on this forum the number drops to 1 or 2% with problems. Still too high? Does anyone think any car maker has 0% defect rate? Nice dream sure but ain't gonna happen in any large scale mass production.

As far as fit and finish and gap alignments go I agree with other person who said earlier did you look at the car before you bought it? If you ordered maybe not a good idea to order sight unseen or at least examine dozens on the lots first to see if they meet your expectations first.

Your first statement is nothing more than a guess since you don't know how many of those 25,000 are having problems. The internet is a good place to learn about advertising ... Make up numbers to support your position or product.


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Ok good but what if when I add in the 25,000 people who aren't on this forum the number drops to 1 or 2% with problems. Still too high? Does anyone think any car maker has 0% defect rate? Nice dream sure but ain't gonna happen in any large scale mass production.

As far as fit and finish and gap alignments go I agree with other person who said earlier did you look at the car before you bought it? If you ordered maybe not a good idea to order sight unseen or at least examine dozens on the lots first to see if they meet your expectations first.
There is no way to figure out an exact number of issues using this survey. Based on your information above, it seems like all people with issues are being counted. This survey gives a small glimpse into a problem that a number of people are having. Hopefully an update to the software will solve the issue, as I don't think it is a hardware issue.

As for checking the car before you buy, that makes sense, but is impossible to check every small thing. All you can hope for is that the dealer takes care of any issues.
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Wolf run,

So when can we expect to see pictures of your V8 powered Overland.

Your observation seem consistent with the poll's finding. Driving them back to back probably gets the most objective findings.

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Well if we do pull the trigger I'll definitely post up. We love the vehicle (as far as our limited experience goes), and even if it isnt the most practical in terms of seating and storage it is one of the nicest of all we've driven, and the wife and I *both* like it which is a huge plus.

As far as the hemi v V6, we don't really need it for towing and also like the mileage on V6. If we were confident of a fix (software update or the tranny "adapting" to driving eventually or some such) we would probably lean that way as the v6 seemed very decent aside from the shifting issues.

Maybe the best thing is to order the diesel if it ever shows up
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As far as the hemi v V6, we don't really need it for towing and also like the mileage on V6.
Just as a datapoint, on my trip home from the Chrysler Nats in Carlisle PA I got 23.5MPG with my '14 5.7L 4x4, ~2000 miles on the vehicle, mostly highway but some traffic, not babying it.

Bopping around town I'm doing about 17-18MPG in the '14 - so I am handily beating the '14 EPA estimates in the real world. I don't know what reality is for V6 mileage.

The 5.7L in my '14 seems to do about 15-20% better overall mileage-wise than my '07 5.7L. I don't know whether I'd expect the V6 to do a lot better, and as you've found the V8 just feels better (at least until a firmware update comes out).

My advice: get the 5.7L and don't look back. All you'll see is dust anyway
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A bit off topic, but look at the overall quality of you GC2014. Take your time and analyse the trims around your windows, tailgate, and now go to your closest Honda dealer lets say...even the cheapest Honda CRV is better finished....imagine now the Q5, the nissan pathfinder .... Does it need to be that cheap ? Is it a lack of quality control ? Or plain " who cares , Americans will still buy it !!"?
Jeep now relies on past sales to flood the market ... I guarantee you that if sales start to drop , they will have to change their process....but for now....NOT !!!! People are buying this car " on paper" , they might be in for a surprise.....
Huh. How about that.

Knock on wood, I have no build quality issues, no misaligned anything issues, no squeak or rattle issues. My daughter, who has been shopping around at the Honda (and even Audi) dealers says thinks my Overland is beautiful. My wife, a Lexus ES owner twice over, loves the GC - and especially loves the trim details, the comfortable seats, and the quiet ride.

6/15/2013 build.

I guess I'm lucky.
Or about average.
Take your pick.

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