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If you don't mind me asking what exterior fit issues did you notice?
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Re: 2014 Overland......Wow........

Inferno, e.g. the chrome above the doors is not perfectly aligned all the way across and the hood is kinda misalinged...you could barely notice it but I am a stickler for that type of thing...if you compare the top of each headlight assembly you can see where the front of one side of the hood comes down further than on the other side.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:33 AM
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Re: 2014 Overland......Wow........

Yes, the new 2011+ GC are very nice. I still wonder if I should have returned to Toyota even though my 2004 4Runner lasted only 6 years for me before getting rid of it. The latter 3 years had cost me $3,600 in repairs. Oh What a Feeling, Toyota.

Toyota's don't give much for the dollar, using plenty of cheap plastic and low end components---not even HIDs, and they won't budge more than $1,500 off the price---take it or leave it, it's a Toyota---you're buying the gold standard of quality---.

I do hope Jeep has flogged quality control into their assembly process. ANy car can feel good for the first few weeks. The honymoon period is still hot and even a Yugo can hold it together for a month. IT's not how it feels now, but how it feels at 100,000 miles.

It seems ironic that FIAT---the poster child for garbage cars has instituted much higher levesl of quality control onto Jeep/Chrysler to where it is a viable alternative to the LR4 or Audi. It looks great drives veyr smoothly, feels very stable and solid without that pucker factor over every bump.

Enjoy your new GC in good health!!!!!!
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Re: 2014 Overland......Wow........

Thanks ms. The GC actually shocked me when I test drove it, especially since the last time I was in a Jeep was in 2006 (had the GC SRT8). That thing was literally a tin can. Had numerous issues including a tranny that was burning fluid early on, something that the dealership had no fix for. So last Wednesday, I hop into the '14 GC and literally could not believe the difference in quality. Didn't even feel like the same car company had built the thing. Even my girlfriend was impressed - and she is VERY honest when it comes cars. The only way to really appreciate the build quality is to test drive the ML 350 back-to-back. You need to experience it from that perspective in order to gain a true understanding of the evolution of the GC.

As for Toyota, I was really surprised with the 4Runner (Limited). It just wasn't what I expected. It was just an OK SUV, had absolutely no WOW factor. Everything about it, the powertrain, interior, exterior, was just OK. Even the tires were terrible, really skinny, they were literally running car tires on an SUV (in Limited trim anyway). The Sequoia was a much better effort by Toyota IMO.

If it comes down to a choice between the 4Runner and the GC, the GC win hands down, assuming of course reliability has improved commensurate with the rest of the truck.
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Re: 2014 Overland......Wow........

Absolutely true, that if GC's quality control is up to par, it would be a smashingly wonderful SUV. Toyota has raised the prices of the Land Cruiser to astronomical levels---$80k+. I looked at hte Sequoia--same 5.7 with horsepower and torque within 20-30 of GC but heavier and bigger. And of course, $55-60k for what would be the equivalent Limited/Platinum to my Overland. The 4Runner's current style reminds of me a Transformer toy; lines are abrupt, edges pop out in the headlights for no reason at all, with a very disjunctive cobbled together appearance. Cheap tires--but then we got cheap Badyear Farteras too.

The GC kind of caught my eye for a while but never really considered it until I bought a Laredo X for the missus. Wow, solid feeling, fast, powerful engine, nice outside with clean lines, chiseled form, uncluttered design that evokes the best of Audi/Land Rover LR4. The missus had a Toyota Matrix that ran well for 125k miles until the manual tranny just disintergrated. Oh What a feeling again.

So after driving her Laredo X a few times, I just had to get rid of my problematic Ram Cummins and try this. After getting some of the squeaks and rattled resolved, I am impressed.

The chatter over at the 4Runner forum comparing to the latest GC is just smug---just wait 'till the GC falls apart! I feel that Toyota is no longer as good as they were and Jeep is not as bad as they were. The quality control gap is closing and while there will always be some statistical anomaly by some poorly fitted specimens, the overall level is pretty darn good.

Just can't wait for my vacation in late summer to take the Overland for a good long drive---maybe to Chaco Canyon again or maybe Meteor Crater. I just finished the book "Worst Hard Time" about the lives of those hardy courageous folks who lilved through and survived the Dust Bowl in Oklahoma/Texas panhandle. Sounds like just the trip to take a Jeep.

These WK2 GC, especially the 2014s, are just gorgeous---lean, lithe, geometrically proportioned, muscular----dang, I am crooning over a car like it was some super model or something.....
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