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Sure it's more up front. But economy depends on your use and expected length of ownership. My wife has a long commute and we often travel to CO so the diesel works great for us. I have no commute and trailer my Wrangler so the Hemi fits the bill.
Not knocking the diesel here. Yes, it's more up front. So are maintenance costs. So is the price delta between diesel fuel and gas. Those factors need to be considered.

My counter to purchasing a diesel is simply that if someone is buying one purely from a fuel economy standpoint, are they actually going to keep it long enough or put enough miles on it to overcome the actual cost of owning it? If not then the math simply doesn't add up.

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Not knocking the diesel here. Yes, it's more up front. So are maintenance costs. So is the price delta between diesel fuel and gas. Those factors need to be considered.



My counter to purchasing a diesel is simply that if someone is buying one purely from a fuel economy standpoint, are they actually going to keep it long enough or put enough miles on it to overcome the actual cost of owning it? If not then the math simply doesn't add up.

Contrary to your opinion-the math does actually add up. If you factor in regular maintenance costs, DEF fluid, the current national average price of fuel-you'll recoup the cost of the diesel engine versus the hemi in just 14 months - and that's purely on fuel economy alone. The diesel versus the gas V6 - 39 months. The math actually does add up. And it's simple math at that.


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Contrary to your opinion-the math does actually add up. If you factor in regular maintenance costs, DEF fluid, the current national average price of fuel-you'll recoup the cost of the diesel engine versus the hemi in just 14 months - and that's purely on fuel economy alone. The diesel versus the gas V6 - 39 months. The math actually does add up. And it's simple math at that.


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Post your simple math numbers? I'd like to see them.
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Contrary to your opinion-the math does actually add up. If you factor in regular maintenance costs, DEF fluid, the current national average price of fuel-you'll recoup the cost of the diesel engine versus the hemi in just 14 months - and that's purely on fuel economy alone. The diesel versus the gas V6 - 39 months. The math actually does add up. And it's simple math at that.


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I disagree. Here in the Northeast, diesel is 85 cents more per gallon than regular. When you take into consideration the fuel price difference, the initial purchase price, and the additional maintenance cost, there is no way that you will recoup the cost differential in any reasonable period of time. I went with the v6 and love it. Now, I don't tow, however if I did, the Hemi would be plenty enough for me.
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Contrary to your opinion-the math does actually add up. If you factor in regular maintenance costs, DEF fluid, the current national average price of fuel-you'll recoup the cost of the diesel engine versus the hemi in just 14 months - and that's purely on fuel economy alone. The diesel versus the gas V6 - 39 months. The math actually does add up. And it's simple math at that.
My opinion means nothing. The actual numbers say it all.

Since well before Jeep decided to stuff a diesel in a GC the price delta between gas and diesel fuel has never favored the diesel unless you actually keep the vehicle far longer than the average or put on very high annual mileage. Saying that you will do so versus actually doing so are two different things. A few people will, the majority won't.

Now we have the bottom dropping out on oil prices, which no one expected to see happen. We all know it won't remain that way but the fact of the matter is that the price delta just got larger. That doesn't favor the diesel either. You may be willing to hang on to the belief that diesel fuel will one day become cheaper than gas but I'm not. Realistically, I don't think too many others are either. As someone else out here stated, we'll probably all be driving electric vehicles in a few short years.

You can juggle your math however you choose but here are what the numbers say...

NOT factoring in any maintenance costs, or the additional cost of DEF for the diesel, and looking at it strictly from a fuel economy standpoint alone, this is what I get based on today's national average fuel prices, using 15000 miles a year and hitting the published EPA highway figures...

5.7L gas: (20mpg) 750 gal x $2.55 = $1913/year ($187 more than diesel)
3.0L diesel: (28mpg) 536 gal x $3.22 = $1726/year
3.6L gas: (24mpg) 625 gal x $2.33 = $1456/year ($270 less than diesel)

Plug your own regional fuel prices in here (mine would be $2.44, $3.37 and $2.32 respectively) and see how they compare to the national average fuel price. In my case, the 5.7L fuel cost is only $24/year more and the 3.6L is $356/year less.

From the Jeep website, the cost for the 5.7L option is $3195 and the 3.0L is $4500 above the base 3.6L gas. A difference of $1305.

Granted, that fuel price delta changes daily and by region. With that being said, if you're taking a snapshot today it would take 6.98 years ($1305/187) for the additional cost of the diesel option to just break even with the cost of the 5.7L option... and you'd never break even against the base 3.6L engine.
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(..)you'll recoup the cost of the diesel engine versus the hemi in just 14 months - and that's purely on fuel economy alone. The diesel versus the gas V6 - 39 months. The math actually does add up. And it's simple math at that.
Certainly not that simple.

My current 39 month lease is a good example. The diesel is at least $4,500 more - sometimes even $5,000. To be fair, let's put that at $2,000 to compensate for the higher residual.

$2,000 : 39 = about $50/month more for the diesel.

Using the EPA-ratings (Diesel: 23 MPG - Gasser: 19 MPG) and my local gas-prices (Diesel: $2.97 - Gas: $2.33) and 15K miles/year, the Diesel's fuel-expense is actually listed at $8/month MORE than the gasser....

It's true that the Diesel's MPG is probably underrated - but this will NEVER make up for the initial $2,000. That is the scenario for my local market.

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Even if you are lucky and diesel and gas cost the same, driving 15K miles/year based on the EPA-numbers is going to save you about $30/month on fuel. At 20K miles/year, you are saving about $50/month to finally make up for the upcharge of the engine. In order to break even, you would have to drive even more to make up for the higher maintenance-cost (which also increases the more you drive).

So you can see, claiming that you will recoup the cost versus the V6 gasser within 39 months is a bit of a stretch and certainly doesn't apply to the majority of potential buyers.
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I'm glad I'm not buying gas where you guys live, it's down to 1.89 per gallon here for 87 octane.
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I'm glad I'm not buying gas where you guys live, it's down to 1.89 per gallon here for 87 octane.
Now, THAT's a steal!

I'm not too sad though. Before I moved to FL, I was living in Hawaii for 18 months - and over there, regular is still $3.30 per gallon as we speak (type)...
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Gas prices, maybe the only good thing about living in the country....

It evens out though as I have to drive an hour for a decent meal....or anything else for that matter....

I live perfectly between richmond va Fredericksburg va and Norfolk va. As they said in "oh brother where art thou" it's a geographical oddity....
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I'm glad I'm not buying gas where you guys live, it's down to 1.89 per gallon here for 87 octane.
Compared to when it was running $3.89-3.94/gal around here, I'm not complaining.
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The diesel gets 28 mpg consistently.

You 3.6L owners sure are vocal against owning a 3.0L.
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The diesel gets 28 mpg consistently.

You 3.6L owners sure are vocal against owning a 3.0L.

Not in the least. I don't care what you buy. But when you guys start touting it strictly from a fuel economy standpoint you're only lying to yourselves trying to make yourselves feel good about it and you're misleading others in the process.
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