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Old 12-25-2014, 04:48 PM
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Re: 2015 GC Limited

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You 3.6L owners sure are vocal against owning a 3.0L.
I almost ordered the 3.0 - and the main reason I didn't wasn't even $$. Although I really wanted to drive something different for a change, I simply didn't want to deal with the DEF-issues.

There are many scenarios where owning the diesel certainly makes a lot of sense - like towing a lot over long distances. That's where the diesel really shines. However, this scenario is more likely the exemption and not the rule when looking at the average GC-owner.

I just responded to a general claim that was a bit more fiction than fact...

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Well gas is really cheap now, here in Alberta some places have it at 78.0 a litre diesel is at 108.0 so how do those numbers add up into the equation. If I were you a deciding factor would be do you see yourself keeping the diesel for 3 to 5 years


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I live perfectly between richmond va Fredericksburg va and Norfolk va. As they said in "oh brother where art thou" it's a geographical oddity....
The feds have triangulated your position and will be there shortly to nab you...

Some other factors for the OP to consider in the decision between hemi and diesel:
1. Diesel oil changes will cost more than twice that of the hemi.
2. Diesel will need no spark plug change at 100k miles, hemi will cost maybe $600 or thereabouts to change plugs.
3. Diesel requires special low-ash synthetic oil, not as readily available in stores (last I heard).
4. Hemi's 'recommended' fuel is 89 octane (higher cost per gallon than 87), although if you aren't pinging you are ok with 87.
5. Lifetime Max Care is not available for diesel-equipped Jeeps. Even if you don't want to buy that, the question is "what are they worried about?"
6. Diesel will have a bit of turbo lag for the first second or two, something to get used to.
7. Some people have had DEF injectors break off in snow or mud or while off-roading.
8. Diesel and DEF fillers are just inches apart. Screw up one time (put your liquid in the wrong hole) and pay thousands of dollars for repair. For that matter, what if you grab the gasoline nozzle out of habit... not so expensive to pump out the tank and add new filter, but still it's not a happy event.
9. Hemi never needs to go into regeneration mode at any (let alone an inopportune) time. If DPF should ever plug, limp mode ensues... just one more thing to potentially go wrong, that can't go wrong with the hemi.
10. Hemi has variable cylinder management; that makes some people feel good, and bothers other people (I know at least one guy who worries about VCM's effect on longevity... valid or not, the question is how does it make you feel?)

I'm not advocating or bashing, just listing some things. Odds are, either one will work out fine.

IMO as long as OPEC remains fractured, the price of gas will remain fairly low.
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The feds have triangulated your position and will be there shortly to nab you...

Obviously, I did post that message from an iPhone after all. As we all know that's the governments most effective monitoring device.
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I'm enjoying this conversation. After a lot of reading on this forum, I ordered the diesel last September. It's a long story, but after all the delays and no definitive word from Chrysler as to why the delay and when production would start, plus the paint facility shutdown, I lost patience and got a V-6 Overland towards the end of November. Three weeks later they built the car I had ordered - after no word for over 3 months.

I'm still kicking myself because I believe that the diesel would be more economical over the long run. So far with the V-6 I'm averaging 17 mpg. Granted that's town driving, but I live in a rural area so it's not exactly stop and go, nor is it freeway. Probably about 40 mph average.

I only have about 1200 miles on the car so I'm hoping the mpg will improve as it breaks in a little bit, but then a garage owner friend told me that newer cars don't really show an increase as they break in because everything is so finely tuned to start with.

Bottom line is the car is magnificent! I love just about everything about it but I think the diesel with much better mpg would have been the icing on the cake. Here in central California there is a pretty consistent 50 cents/gallon differential between diesel and regular - right now at $2.50 for regular and $3.00 for diesel, or a 17% premium for diesel. When the price of fuel goes back up the premium for diesel gets smaller, if the 50 cent differential stays the same. If you figure 18 mpg for the V-6 and 24 for the diesel, that's 25% better economy for the diesel. Do the other costs of diesel ownership make the fuel savings moot?

Finally, I did some light duty towing and noticed the increased effort required from the V-6 and the lower gear needed even with the light load. I think the diesel would have just shrugged if off.
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... hemi will cost maybe $600 or thereabouts to change plugs.
Umm...$300. But yes, it's not an inexpensive service because it's a pain in the butt to reach some of the 16 plugs in the engine.
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You'd have to be pretty clueless to screw up and put fuel in the DEF tank. Nozzle won't fit and it requires removing a bright blue cap where the fuel filler is capless. DEF in the fuel is difficult unless you're at a DEF pump at a truck stop. There may even be a mechanism in there like my brother's VW that prevents smaller nozzles from being inserted.

Also, aren't Hemi OCI's something like 4,000 miles or have they increased them recently? Diesel is usually a little under 10,000 OCI depending on driving. My factory fill is at around 14% oil life at 9,000 miles.
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MBD'. Oil changes for MY14+ is at 10K miles for both the V6 and V8 gas engines. MY11-12 is 8K miles.
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Ok, so they have upped it then. The V8 in the 07 was 3 or 4k while the MB motor was 10k.
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Re: 2015 GC Limited

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Umm...$300. But yes, it's not an inexpensive service because it's a pain in the butt to reach some of the 16 plugs in the engine.
$300? Is that for the 100k mile plugs (iridium, IIRC) that the 2014 and 2015 models use? Or for traditional 30k mile plugs?
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