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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

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Simple solution really:

Price out a "MaxCare" for both vehicles, then buy the one you like and can afford.

If you are paying 80K anyway, what is another $5k for future service?
Looks like someone reads Jalopnik like me...

Do a google search for Doug DeMuro and read his blog entries about his Range Rover. He bought a used one from CarMax and also bought the MaxCare warranty with it. I think he paid just over $3K-$4K for the warranty and within 2 years has had over $8K in warranty claim repairs.

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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

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Looks like someone reads Jalopnik like me...

Do a google search for Doug DeMuro and read his blog entries about his Range Rover. He bought a used one from CarMax and also bought the MaxCare warranty with it. I think he paid just over $3K-$4K for the warranty and within 2 years has had over $8K in warranty claim repairs.
He actually had a more recent article on this as well: Here’s The Problem With Owning An Unreliable Luxury Car
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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

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Range Rover and Jeep both are bad when it comes to reliability. Even with the Range Rover being more expensive, it also has a longer new car warranty which means it will be covered longer from major problems and stuff. Most people lease which means the longer new car warranty is more beneficial to customers since the car will be covered for the duration of the lease unless its a ridiculously long lease.

I haven't owned a Range Rover yet but with my Jeep I am noticing a lot of problems with it (even though its the base Laredo). I have a few family members and friends who have Range Rovers and Range Rover Sports and they are all happy with them. They sometimes act up and they drive well but for the most part they have had less problems with their Range Rovers than I am having with my current GC.

If I had to choose between the two I would choose the Range Rover (who wouldn't?) because it would be leased and the warranty will cover all of the major problems it may have while I have it and then I would just turn it in at the end. With my GC I hope there is nothing major that breaks down on it since my lease passes the new car warranty by about 13K miles.
Funny you mention leasing regarding Range Rovers. I posed that very question to the sales person and she told me the leasing options aren't great as they only have one bank that handles all leasing and isn't really that great. She told me that 85% of customers that come through the door "buy" instead of lease. I very seriously doubt she was telling the truth!
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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

Horror stories like that (the Range Rover story above) make me stay away from German cars. I considered the VW Touareg before the Jeep, and I badly want an Audi S4 but my few functioning neurons scream Q50 AWD Hybrid.
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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

I own a summit and wouldn't buy a range rover if my life depended on it. My father has a supercharged range rover and its a great car. I drool over it all the time. I just can't justify spending that kind of money for a car. If I made what he makes it probably wouldn't be as big of an issue, but still over $100k for a vehicle is just out of my stratosphere.

The range rover is definitely above and beyond. The biggest difference isn't the finishes or even the added speed given he has the supercharged model. It is the ride. Nothing rides like a range rover (at least like the supercharged mode he has). The thing is like driving on a temperpedic bed. Everyone calls it the couch. Nothing is more comfortable then those cars.

From any kind of a reasonable justification the Grand Cherokee blows the doors off the Range Rover, but if money is no issue the Range Rover wins out in spades.
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I own a summit and wouldn't buy a range rover if my life depended on it. My father has a supercharged range rover and its a great car. I drool over it all the time. I just can't justify spending that kind of money for a car. If I made what he makes it probably wouldn't be as big of an issue, but still over $100k for a vehicle is just out of my stratosphere.

The range rover is definitely above and beyond. The biggest difference isn't the finishes or even the added speed given he has the supercharged model. It is the ride. Nothing rides like a range rover (at least like the supercharged mode he has). The thing is like driving on a temperpedic bed. Everyone calls it the couch. Nothing is more comfortable then those cars.

From any kind of a reasonable justification the Grand Cherokee blows the doors off the Range Rover, but if money is no issue the Range Rover wins out in spades.
Agree good assessment
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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

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While the Jeep is a better value for the money, it also doesn't play in the same category as the Range Rover. Anyone who thinks they would turn down a factory supercharged V8 SUV that is as capable as the Overland and as fast as the SRT and turns as many heads as its two-door cousins (Jags or Aston) and looks as good with some mud on it as Kate the Duchess of Cambridge in a tight short dress, is delusional. The Brits own this segment (I should say design wise 'cause the Indians actually own the brand). The choice sadly comes down to reliability, maintenance costs and even more importantly time lost managing potential car troubles even for those who can afford it.
Jeep COULD own the segment, but it would take a major cultural change across the entire management and dealer organizations to do so. I'd guess that they'd need to set up an entirely different set of dealerships like Toyota did with Lexus to get rid of the stench some of the Jeep dealers have created.

Beef up the air suspension a bit, add user-locking differentials, drop in a Hellcat motor, steal an interior designer from Aston, Bentley, Rolls, etc.

Then, charge for every option from built in beverage cooler to color matched foot pedals, and away we go.

BTW, for those who think the RR is becoming a chick drive, try out a G-Wagen or a Pinzgauer.
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Funny you mention leasing regarding Range Rovers. I posed that very question to the sales person and she told me the leasing options aren't great as they only have one bank that handles all leasing and isn't really that great. She told me that 85% of customers that come through the door "buy" instead of lease. I very seriously doubt she was telling the truth!
I'd think she may have understated the difference. The Range Rover dealership wasn't at all surprised to be discussing cash sale with no financing, as many of their customers do just that. The Jeep dealer was more surprised.
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Horror stories like that (the Range Rover story above) make me stay away from German cars. I considered the VW Touareg before the Jeep, and I badly want an Audi S4 but my few functioning neurons scream Q50 AWD Hybrid.
The Range Rover started as the Land Rover, a modified military vehicle that may have had minor breakdowns and annoyances but was otherwise pretty much unstoppable and unbreakable [and a tad slow]. It had contributions from the Prince of Darkness, but easily accessed and dealt with.

Then, they got bought into a conglomerate almost single handedly responsible for the demise of the British car industry. And languished there until they were almost gone. Then, they got bought again--and you KNOW you have quality issues when you get bought by Ford and your quality reputation goes UP.

Certain models of RR could invoke immediate uncontrollable fits of laughter and some rather off-color humor if you asked a mechanic to do a pre-sale mech inspection on a used one.

Luckily, they got sold again, and the new owners actually seem to have fond memories of Range Rover and Jaguar. Possibly they remember Henry Manney III declaring the Jaguar the greatest crumpet catcher known to man, but have forgotten his other comment about a teenage mistress being far more reliable.

They have a lot of similarities with Jeeps. Owners may scream bloody murder and complain at the slightest provocation--but few will give either one up without a fight.
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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

Well, as my lease is coming up for my Jeep, i'm also looking at the RR sport.
In the states i can understand the price difference, but here in Europe the difference in price is minor. A fully loaded summit would cost me $93000, whereas an equivalent RR Sport is $97000, so to me its a no brainer. The jeep only comes with a 2 year warranty, and the RR comes with 3 years.
I had a chance to drive both the summit and the RR Sport back to back last week. Literally, i stepped out of a summit and into the RR Sport, and i'm sorry, but as far as driving dynamic, seating position, and ride quality and comfort the RR has this one in the bag. I won't say its a night and day difference, but its definitely a very noticeable difference.
And i don't know what people are going on about build quality. When you open a cubby hole or glove box in the jeep, it sounds clunky and cheap, whereas in the RR it most certainly doesn't.

However, my biggest beef with Jeep,is that here in Europe you now get treated like your buying a Fiat, which is terrible when your paying that much for a car, where as with the RR they make you feel like your buying a premium car!
When i first bought my jeep it was like that, as Jeep was its own dealership, but now they are shared with Fiat, customer service is totally crap, and when your buying a brand new premium vehicle, customer service is VERY important!
So far, the RR Sport looks like it will be my next purchase.
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Well, as my lease is coming up for my Jeep, i'm also looking at the RR sport.
In the states i can understand the price difference, but here in Europe the difference in price is minor. A fully loaded summit would cost me $93000, whereas an equivalent RR Sport is $97000, so to me its a no brainer. The jeep only comes with a 2 year warranty, and the RR comes with 3 years.
I had a chance to drive both the summit and the RR Sport back to back last week. Literally, i stepped out of a summit and into the RR Sport, and i'm sorry, but as far as driving dynamic, seating position, and ride quality and comfort the RR has this one in the bag. I won't say its a night and day difference, but its definitely a very noticeable difference.
And i don't know what people are going on about build quality. When you open a cubby hole or glove box in the jeep, it sounds clunky and cheap, whereas in the RR it most certainly doesn't.

However, my biggest beef with Jeep,is that here in Europe you now get treated like your buying a Fiat, which is terrible when your paying that much for a car, where as with the RR they make you feel like your buying a premium car!
When i first bought my jeep it was like that, as Jeep was its own dealership, but now they are shared with Fiat, customer service is totally crap, and when your buying a brand new premium vehicle, customer service is VERY important!
So far, the RR Sport looks like it will be my next purchase.
If the price difference is as minor here in North America, I bet quite a few of us will jump ship, grab a RR and take a chance. 2 Years Warranty is pretty sad along with the increased price and to add insult to injury the lousy service.

Now mind you, the Summit feels a lot more premium than the other line-ups in the dealership. However every time I walk into a Chrysler-Fiat dealership I always feel rather cheap, as if I was interested in some entry level vehicle. Part of this feeling comes from the fact that the whole set-up looks cheap- the layout, the colors, the building, the foyer etc. All the dealerships look so spartan and plain in appearance with uninspiring floor tiles, signs, furniture and lighting. To be honest, the rest of the Jeep line-up especially the interior of the Compass, Patriot etc is a complete let-down. If the Summit is going to compete with the big boys from Germany or the UK, then it has to be a little more upscale- either increase the price to finally match the interior quality or leave it and not try to compare it with the others. Once you make any kind of comparison, you have to live up to expectations. Here in NA, it is a great car for a decent or at least much more affordable price. As long as I know that I am not in a premium German car, I can live with it.
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Re: 2015 Range Rover VS Grand Cherokee (Overland/Summit)

If the RR and Summit both cost over $90k here, I wouldn't be anywhere near either showroom lol. I'd still be driving my 2004 Overland.
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