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Old 08-27-2015, 03:36 PM
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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Real bummer about no Cherry Red anymore. Also electric steering is the worst. Completely removes any kind of steering/handling feel in any car I've tried so far. What a shame (

Pentastar upgrade for the V6 is nice though.
I think rack and pinion did more to change the feel than electric steering. I never noticed much difference between the Jeep and my Ford. Now dropping Cherry Red sounds serious.


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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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Also electric steering is the worst. Completely removes any kind of steering/handling feel in any car I've tried so far. What a shame (
There's no reason EPS can't feel great, not to mention its other benefits over HPS.

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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I never thought the GC had that much steering feel to begin with. In fact it probably has the least amount of road feel compared to any other vehicle I've owned so they might as well switch to EPS. It's way more efficient.
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I never thought the GC had that much steering feel to begin with. In fact it probably has the least amount of road feel compared to any other vehicle I've owned so they might as well switch to EPS. It's way more efficient.
Plus, they need it for the park assist.


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Just saw this in the facebook comments section of some post about 2018 Srt.. Could this be it? It looks kinda photoshopped, lol Attachment 59879

I really don't think this is it. It looks like a pretty rough photoshop job of a limited from the jeep site configurator. Those headlights, just no. I prefer the current ones, filler plastic and all. Lol
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Old 08-27-2015, 08:17 PM
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I really don't think this is it. It looks like a pretty rough photoshop job of a limited from the jeep site configurator. Those headlights, just no. I prefer the current ones, filler plastic and all. Lol

Yea, I agree, I do like the clear corners and the amber reflectors on the bumper, just like the new Chrysler 300, I hope Jeep does that, it gives it a "Euro" look.. But yea, this definitely looks fake
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When is the last date I can order a 2015 Summit?


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When is the last date I can order a 2015 Summit?


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I never thought the GC had that much steering feel to begin with. In fact it probably has the least amount of road feel compared to any other vehicle I've owned so they might as well switch to EPS. It's way more efficient.
Try an Infiniti QX60 or just about any Toyota. The Jeep is an open book by comparison. I always feel like I know what each individual wheel on my GC is doing... sometimes even to the point where, in winter, I know which tire lost traction. When I had a QX60 as a loaner (the wife's G37x was in the shop), that thing was quiet and smooth but I never had the slightest clue what the thing was up to. Ditto the Toyota Highlander and pretty much everything else I've ever driven from Toyota.

The steering feel in the GC may not be tight and quick, but there's worse. Much worse.
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^^Oh I agree for sure. I think the air suspension just lends the GC more towards a feeling of solitude rather than personality through feeling. Which I appreciate, it's very comfy.
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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I think the biggest issue with EPS is the perception formed by the early systems, particularly the 90's era Saturns.

Those early electric systems were terribly notchy and were prone to oversteer.

Now days, the systems are much more variable and able to sense wheel movement better, which makes them far closer to an analog system.

Having said that, I do agree the JGC has a way to go in regards to feedback. However, the steering is still pretty good for a 4800 lb. vehicle.

My F150 was a bit better, but that's more due to the solid rear axle, which gives a bit more stability in fast corners. That truck was surprisingly nimble for its size.

The only thing that bothers me is the downshifting that occurs as you brake to come to a stop. The feel of that engine braking through the wheel gives the illusion the steering is pulling, even though it isn't (I confirmed it at one point). I really wish it would just stay out of gear, then pick the appropriate one when I either a) come to a full stop or b) take my foot off the brake to go back to the gas pedal.

The downshifting gear by gear thing bugs me. It's like the Jeep has a rotary transmission from a motorcycle or something where it can't skip gears as needed. Oddly enough, it has zero trouble skipping from 8th to 4th if I give it a good amount of gas pedal.
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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

The EPS is the one feature I haven't fully adjusted to. The steering effort needs to be stiffer for one thing... there's just not much there, almost disconnected. The other is the way the vehicle steers when making a right or left hand turn... I'd have to compare it to like steering a barge on the Mississippi River.
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