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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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As far as the planned production timeline, not much has changed. 18 months ago Chrysler released their 5-year plan. That plan clearly stated a Grand Cherokee refresh for model year 2016 in the 4th quarter of 2015, and production is still scheduled within that timeline.

The main reason for launching in the 4th quarter instead of the summer was they needed extra time to finish developing the new 3.6L engine.

I guess I think of a launch in the 4th quarter as having cars to the customers in that time frame, as opposed to pushing a few car through the line during the last week of the quarter. I'm sure they have their reasons, but from the outside looking in it seems holding the engine refresh off for 6 months and putting it in the '17 would have been a better move.

I appreciate your updates. If not for your information, and to those that don't have access to it, it just looks like Jeep is lagging behind.

Here's hoping that things go smoothly in the new year.


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I guess I think of a launch in the 4th quarter as having cars to the customers in that time frame, as opposed to pushing a few car through the line during the last week of the quarter. I'm sure they have their reasons, but from the outside looking in it seems holding the engine refresh off for 6 months and putting it in the '17 would have been a better move.
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Remember...Chrysler's customers are actually the dealerships, sales-wise. The loose model is to think of the dealerships as authorized resellers and repair facilities.

A "launch" to most auto manufacturers means vehicles have been built and invoiced to their customers--the dealerships.

I would hazard to guess that there have been unforeseen issues with the new engine (and perhaps a few other things as well); perhaps part supply issues, perhaps technical issues. That's the delay. The reason for building a few before the beginning of the year is likely a business commitment decision.
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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

The following is simply wild-assed speculation.... Do not attempt to infer any actual knowledge or basis in fact of any sort:

It would be logical for the manufacturer to shift production from problematic sub-types to more launch-ready models and thus avoid assembly constipation and sales stagnation. If its a new-v6 choking the launch...you either drop the "new" part and go with what youve got working or you postpone the v6 and go with the v8....get the lines and the money moving.

But...we arent seeing or hearing of movement on any 16. no drivetrain, no package, not 4wd, not 2wd. The componants are so wide spread throughout other models that parts availability is certainly a possiblility but seems unlikely since it isnt effecting anything else.

The only thing that seems to be a common factor with the "delay" is the number 2016.

And then there are the other posts....the ones that talk about dealerships having dozens of 2015 JGC still on the lot. Even some still holding 2014's as "new inventory". Some posts even talk about dealerships with not one or two..but MANY SRT's still sitting there collecting dust. Waiting for someone to take them to their new "forever-home"

Could the delay in the 2016 be simply a matter of trying to get rid of a few more 2015's cuz they know that when the 16 launches...the 15 will be significantly hardER to unload?

If the dealerships are the customers....and the dealerships are having trouble moving what they already have....would it make sense for them to dig the hole deeper by putting a 16 on their lot and competing with themselves?

Seems to me that the dealerships would be telling the mfg....slow it down there, buckaroo. Let's build some demand before introducing more supply and hurting everyone (other than the consumer).

Pure conjecture.
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Old 11-06-2015, 01:38 PM
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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

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The following is simply wild-assed speculation.... Do not attempt to infer any actual knowledge or basis in fact of any sort:

It would be logical for the manufacturer to shift production from problematic sub-types to more launch-ready models and thus avoid assembly constipation and sales stagnation. If its a new-v6 choking the launch...you either drop the "new" part and go with what youve got working or you postpone the v6 and go with the v8....get the lines and the money moving.

But...we arent seeing or hearing of movement on any 16. no drivetrain, no package, not 4wd, not 2wd. The componants are so wide spread throughout other models that parts availability is certainly a possiblility but seems unlikely since it isnt effecting anything else.

The only thing that seems to be a common factor with the "delay" is the number 2016.

And then there are the other posts....the ones that talk about dealerships having dozens of 2015 JGC still on the lot. Even some still holding 2014's as "new inventory". Some posts even talk about dealerships with not one or two..but MANY SRT's still sitting there collecting dust. Waiting for someone to take them to their new "forever-home"

Could the delay in the 2016 be simply a matter of trying to get rid of a few more 2015's cuz they know that when the 16 launches...the 15 will be significantly hardER to unload?

If the dealerships are the customers....and the dealerships are having trouble moving what they already have....would it make sense for them to dig the hole deeper by putting a 16 on their lot and competing with themselves?

Seems to me that the dealerships would be telling the mfg....slow it down there, buckaroo. Let's build some demand before introducing more supply and hurting everyone (other than the consumer).

Pure conjecture.
I think I would put my money on the V6, as Milous pointed out. I don't think the line is sitting idle, but is still pumping out 15's.


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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Vroooom...while there certainly is some logic in what you say, every JGC that comes off the line is reportedly already sold (out of as many as 1200 vehicles a day produced out of Jefferson North, about 70-80% are JGC and the rest are Durangos, roughly speaking); sold either to an end customer via a dealer special order or to a dealer order for inventory. They don't generally "stuff the channel" like some manufacturers do at model year end according to past discussion, although I'm sure they market hard right up to the end. Yes, some dealers have inventory, but that's because they have not sold what they ordered rather than vehicles just showing up. It's more of not anticipating what folks locally wanted to buy.

SRTs are unique from a market standpoint and given the cost point and performance orientation, their "forever owner" is also unique. The "average" buyer off the street isn't going to consider an SRT.
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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

More useless editorial commentary, but jeep really stings the customer by selling a 2015 so far into the year, thus making it already "last year's" model, and further a 2016, that appears, will again be "last year's" model a few short months after shipment. It's all artificial dates, but years from now when you go to sell it, competing with other manufacturers, the jeep could be newer in reality, but the model year will be one year older than a competitive model. For the average consumer, I don't care what you say, it will hurt resale. Think about it... People even limit their vehicle searches by the year. I'm just saying...

More fca shenanigans. This is my first domestic vehicle consideration EVER. In other words, they've attracted interest from Chrysler bypassers, and just can't get it right.

By the way, if honda/acura (or similar) could make the srt... Man just think!! An actual power plant in a mdx; done! Imagine a GT-R power plant in an Infiniti. I guess you could just buy the douche Porsche cayenne or the bmw x5m, but Ughhhh. And waaayy too much coin. The Audi sq5 is a winner in that category, but the interior isn't.

The srt is a real gem. Just wish it wasn't a fca. Reliability is also a concern. The fca track record sucks.

Oh well, as long as the Internet exists it gives ppl like me a place to complain!
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...but years from now when you go to sell it, competing with other manufacturers, the jeep could be newer in reality, but the model year will be one year older than a competitive model. For the average consumer, I don't care what you say, it will hurt resale. Think about it...
How will the model year be "one year older"? It's a 2016 model, whether it's built in May, in July or December would not matter.

Hurt resale? Not at all. In fact, the value may be "higher" when compared to other 2016 vehicles since 2016 GC's will have lower mileage on average.
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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

Just talked to my dealer, they had made some calls after finding out Thursday they were not going to be able to order my vehicle. What they were told is first run of Grand Cherokees started this week, but it is just stock vehicles? He said they started making runs of standard combinations of color/engine/packages that dealers could then choose from. They were told they can actually place specific orders for vehicles first week of December, including mine, IF FCA didn't push it back again.

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Just talked to my dealer, they had made some calls after finding out Thursday they were not going to be able to order my vehicle. What they were told is first run of Grand Cherokees started this week, but it is just stock vehicles? He said they started making runs of standard combinations of color/engine/packages that dealers could then choose from. They were told they can actually place specific orders for vehicles first week of December, including mine, IF FCA didn't push it back again.

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Re: 2016 Grand Cherokee - Features & Changes

I wonder if they actually started 'production' or just built some test vehicles. Milous has production startup as 12/23. A fleet company list the '15 production ending 12/22. Since there is no appreciable downtime, those two dates seem to agree.


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This is definitely a mystery. I guess it's keeping our resale values higher? Lol
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Just talked to my dealer, they had made some calls after finding out Thursday they were not going to be able to order my vehicle. What they were told is first run of Grand Cherokees started this week, but it is just stock vehicles? He said they started making runs of standard combinations of color/engine/packages that dealers could then choose from. They were told they can actually place specific orders for vehicles first week of December, including mine, IF FCA didn't push it back again.

Just what I was told.

Order banks for the 2015s just closed. They're still building those -- no 2016s are being produced yet and won't be for some time yet.
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