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Old 03-02-2015, 09:32 PM
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

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They take 150lbs off for the Driver and 20 Pounds off for "options" in the carrying capacity. That is part of the difference between the quoted payload number and the match between GVWR and Dry weight. A lot of the internal specs quote this but I can't find any public information other than the Pickup Trucks that show this. There is some other weights in there, logically that is the only way to have a difference between the math of GVWR and Curb Weight otherwise there would not be the discrepancy, that is all.
I hear ya and know you are busy but I am just trying to solve for the correct Payload numbers. The challenge is that the 6,800 GVWR is supposedly correct and is the "all in" max number. The 5,219 Curb Weight is correct as it is above base dry weight (so it has all the fluids in) and adds for a V8 diff over a V6, 4x4 over a 4x2, ELSD and has more weight for the heavier std included options of the Summit trim. My problem is that if those 2 numbers are correct which I truly believe they are then the Payload capacity for ALL persons, cargo and optional accessories not in the trim level package should be 1,581 lbs yet the "book" (all sources) say the Payload is 1,050 and the Jeep definition of Payload says it is for ALL bodies not just passengers....sorry I am a numbers guy and that's a 531 lb discrepancy....

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Old 03-02-2015, 10:16 PM
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

hmmm... will look into further. I have never used the curb weight anyway. The only true way to know is to take your truck to the scales and weight it. That weight vs. your GVWR is your TRUE payload. can't question that number because that is you and your stuff in your vehicle compared to the max weight.

I did this with my Trailer, weight with the trailer on, weight with the trailer off. Only way to know if you are over weight!
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I hear ya and know you are busy but I am just trying to solve for the correct Payload numbers. The challenge is that the 6,800 GVWR is supposedly correct and is the "all in" max number. The 5,219 Curb Weight is correct as it is above base dry weight (so it has all the fluids in) and adds for a V8 diff over a V6, 4x4 over a 4x2, ELSD and has more weight for the heavier std included options of the Summit trim. My problem is that if those 2 numbers are correct which I truly believe they are then the Payload capacity for ALL persons, cargo and optional accessories not in the trim level package should be 1,581 lbs yet the "book" (all sources) say the Payload is 1,050 and the Jeep definition of Payload says it is for ALL bodies not just passengers....sorry I am a numbers guy and that's a 531 lb discrepancy....
I totally agree. For us Summit owners, on paper we feel kind of cheated that we have only 1,050 lbs- I mean why the discrepancy? A loaded Overland 4x4
is pretty much the same weight and yet has at least a couple of hundred pounds more in payload capacity. The math doesn't add up.
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I totally agree. For us Summit owners, on paper we feel kind of cheated that we have only 1,050 lbs- I mean why the discrepancy? A loaded Overland 4x4
is pretty much the same weight and yet has at least a couple of hundred pounds more in payload capacity. The math doesn't add up.
I suspect that difference in payload capacity is nothing more than the additional weight of features, components and material used that are unique to the Summit trim.

It may seem insignificant but things like that in total adds weight so your payload capacity drops.
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Old 03-03-2015, 09:57 AM
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I suspect that difference in payload capacity is nothing more than the additional weight of features, components and material used that are unique to the Summit trim.

It may seem insignificant but things like that in total adds weight so your payload capacity drops.
The only thing I can think of that will add any kind of weight would be the HK sound system- but it wouldn't be much more heavier than the Premium sound system on the Overland or the Limited models. Can't seem to think that the adaptive Bi-Xenon lights would add much more either. Interior trims are pretty much the same- seats are not any heavier. The Summit's listed curb weight is 4,955 lbs for the 4x4 version and as other have pointed, after subtracting from the gross weight, it still doesn't make sense.
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I suspect that difference in payload capacity is nothing more than the additional weight of features, components and material used that are unique to the Summit trim.

It may seem insignificant but things like that in total adds weight so your payload capacity drops.
We're talking over 500# of stuff man, that ain't all trim and options
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We're talking over 500# of stuff man, that ain't all trim and options
Actually Jeff, he was talking about 200 pounds... and what I said is within that realm of possibility. With everything else being equal, there's no other explanation I can think of.
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

I went out to Jeep's website and got the figures for a base Overland and Summit in 4X4.

Both list a GVWR of 6500#.

Base curb weight of the Overland is 4984#, the Summit is 4955# (that's a surprise).

Actual payload capacity would then be 1516# for the Overland, 1545# for the Summit.

Yet standard payload capacity is listed at 1150# for the Overland, 1050# for the Summit.

LMAO... I don't know what to make of it now after seeing that. I wonder how accurate that info really is?
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I went out to Jeep's website and got the figures for a base Overland and Summit in 4X4.

Both list a GVWR of 6500#.

Base curb weight of the Overland is 4984#, the Summit is 4955# (that's a surprise).

Actual payload capacity would then be 1516# for the Overland, 1545# for the Summit.

Yet standard payload capacity is listed at 1150# for the Overland, 1050# for the Summit.

LMAO... I don't know what to make of it now after seeing that. I wonder how accurate that info really is?
Now you see what we are talking about. Now as for the 200 pounds you mentioned earlier only one thing I can think of could possibly add that much weight. The air suspension. The tanks and compressor as well as all the hardware for it to work.
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

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I went out to Jeep's website and got the figures for a base Overland and Summit in 4X4.

Both list a GVWR of 6500#.

Base curb weight of the Overland is 4984#, the Summit is 4955# (that's a surprise).

Actual payload capacity would then be 1516# for the Overland, 1545# for the Summit.

Yet standard payload capacity is listed at 1150# for the Overland, 1050# for the Summit.

LMAO... I don't know what to make of it now after seeing that. I wonder how accurate that info really is?
That's exactly my sentiments. The official figures are completely unreliable. The SRT has a weight of 5,150 and subtracted from 6,500 gross equals 1,350 which is actually correctly listed. If the SRT is 200 lbs heavier than the Summit, why would the payload be 300 lbs more than the Summit?
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Now you see what we are talking about. Now as for the 200 pounds you mentioned earlier only one thing I can think of could possibly add that much weight. The air suspension. The tanks and compressor as well as all the hardware for it to work.
Both the Overland and Summit have QL, so that wouldn't explain it.
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Both the Overland and Summit have QL, so that wouldn't explain it.
What about the weight of the hemi vs the v6?
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