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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

You heard it here first! The next generation GC will come with a giant LCD screen on the dash and you will need to use a wireless mouse to change your gears.



Personally I don't understand why they see a need to get away from the 2011 shifter, it works great and has mechanical feedback. The move to small / all touch interfaces is stupid.

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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

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Personally I don't understand why they see a need to get away from the 2011 shifter, it works great and has mechanical feedback. The move to small / all touch interfaces is stupid.
Because honestly, having a shifter of any sort in cars is becoming obsolete and "old school". Also, why would anyone need "Feedback" from a gear selector? Its not like its a manual transmission, its just an auto that you pop into gear and go. More and more new cars are coming with NO shifter whatsoever and IMO thats awesome! Saves space and looks significantly better, especially when the job can all be done by a switch or button. Mechanical linkages and cables are a thing of the passed!
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

The reason you want something with "mechanical" feedback is so you can operate it without taking eyes off the road.

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I bet we'll see a JGC hellcat edition
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

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I thought the knob was for the 9 speed and the funny T handle was the 8 speed? Or does the Ram have the knob and the 8 speed?

I personally think the knob is dumb. Not a huge fan of the 8 speed GC shifter either.
The Ram trucks have the knob and the 8 speed. I like them both, just takes some getting used to either way. My 2010 Dakota still has the steering column shifter, so flipping back and forth between that and the Jeep can get interesting.
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

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The reason you want something with "mechanical" feedback is so you can operate it without taking eyes off the road.

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You would think so, but on our '14 I still miss the "gear" I want quite often if I don't down at the shifter. It seems rather silly to me to make a big mechanical "switch" that has no mechanical connection to the transmission to make it seem mechanical when it really isn't. I would just as soon have a knob on the dash like the trucks.

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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

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Because honestly, having a shifter of any sort in cars is becoming obsolete and "old school". Also, why would anyone need "Feedback" from a gear selector? Its not like its a manual transmission, its just an auto that you pop into gear and go. More and more new cars are coming with NO shifter whatsoever and IMO thats awesome! Saves space and looks significantly better, especially when the job can all be done by a switch or button. Mechanical linkages and cables are a thing of the passed!
Spoken like a modern "driver". And by "driver", I mean someone who's little more then a passenger that happens to be sitting behind a steering wheel!

Some of us REAL Drivers, DO use the Shifter. We like more granular control over our vehicles.
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You would think so, but on our '14 I still miss the "gear" I want quite often if I don't down at the shifter. It seems rather silly to me to make a big mechanical "switch" that has no mechanical connection to the transmission to make it seem mechanical when it really isn't. I would just as soon have a knob on the dash like the trucks.

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Yes, that's my point. The 14 shifter is a bad design, it gives you something that moves without being helpful in terms of feedback. The 11/13 shifter is much better than the 14.

My preference, in order, would be:
- 11/13 shifter
- dial
- 14 shifter

It's not silly at all to have something mechanical when it's actually not needed. Would you prefer a pressure sensor for the gas pedal? Just a non moving plate that detects how hard you're pressing it? Of course not, we all love the current pedal, even though it's wired into the computer and not mechanically linked to a carb .

It's all part of "good design / user interfaces". Some are just better than others because they provide subconscious feedback that we use without having to think about it.

(Just like walking up to a door in a business building; you see a "handle" that is 1 foot square near the left edge of the right door. Do you push that door or pull it? Nobody knows until you try. Now on the other hand you walk up to a door that has a horizontal "push bar" across the entire middle of the door. You know before you touch it that you need to push that door open. It's a better design.)
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

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Spoken like a modern "driver". And by "driver", I mean someone who's little more then a passenger that happens to be sitting behind a steering wheel!

Some of us REAL Drivers, DO use the Shifter. We like more granular control over our vehicles.
That is funny. I bet the Model T drivers said the same to people with later cars with "automatic" spark advance in the distributor instead of a lever on the column and moved the throttle lever to a pedal on the floor.

With a fully electronically controlled transmission like these cars have, the only reason there is a shift lever to make people comfortable. It offers no more control than a knob or push buttons would have. I would gladly give up the shifter for a knob. I like the flappy paddles on the steering wheel. They give far more control over the shifting than the old automatics.

There was a some debate about the "drive by wire" throttle when it first was implemented. No one these days seems to care that the right pedal is no longer directly connected to the throttle valve on the engine. Now it is just a "torque request" pedal connected to a computer that ultimately has full control of the throttle.

Oh, I am a dinosaur; all my other cars are stick shifts. I wouldn't want a stick in the Grand Cherokee. I think all of the controls in the '14+ Grand Cherokee are pretty dead on. The buttons and knobs that you can use without taking your eyes off the wheel (unlike other vehicles that have no alternative to the touch screen) are perfect. My only dislikes are the wiper controls, which I would prefer to be on a separate stalk on the right side of the column like German cars, the shifter and the parking brake. I prefer a manual parking brake lever, not an electronic control as the market is going, but then I am a dinosaur...
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Re: 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee REFRESH

Personally I really enjoy the shifter on the 14/15's. After driving mine for a little over a year, I have only gone into the wrong gear/setting a few times, and I noticed immediately by looking at the dash. I like that if I need more power quickly I can just move the shifter back real quick without thinking about it. I don't want to be feeling around for some knob, and twisting it left and right to do a three point turn. I recognize that the 14/15 shifter isn't perfect, but if they were to change it I would want something to "hold on to."
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