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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

don't know about that. mine comes on the instant my foot comes off the brake.

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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

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don't know about that. mine comes on the instant my foot comes off the brake.
yes, the engine does restart the instant your foot comes off the brakes, what I was saying is the it doesn't shut off then every time you roll forward 10 feet and stop again.
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

ah, i misunderstood - yes, that happens (or doesn't)
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

This maybe a dumb question, but is there anything different about the starter being used? Is still a mechanical starter? If so, I feel like that would be a lot of wear and tear if its not an upgraded version of the starter. I think I would prefer not to have this feature at all, and if the car has it I would like to be able to turn it of permanently and not have it reset everytime the ignition is cycled.
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

"At the heart of ESS is a high-speed/high-durability starter that reduces crank time, culminating in quicker restarts."

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http://www.allpar.com/technology/stop-start.php

The system in the JGC is presumably evolved at least somewhat based on FCA's prior experience with it in the RAM, Cherokee, and 200.
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"At the heart of ESS is a high-speed/high-durability starter that reduces crank time, culminating in quicker restarts."
Ahh very cool. Thanks! I just had another thought about having the HVAC on be it A/C or heat, and having that turn off/on. Seems the conditions that the engine won't shut off if the HVAC is kind of interesting. I'm a skeptic, lol. To me its just like playing with the lights in a room, nobody likes it, and will lower the life expectancy of the light bulbs, lol! And how much fuel will you really be saving?
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

They say about 2 mpg or about 10%, which is hardly inconsequential when you're a manufacturer trying to meet CAFE rules.
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

Ultimately this is going to become standard on most cars. As CAFE rules become more and more strict car makers are going to look for any increase in efficiency they can find. That's why Bmw, Mercedes, and Audi went to electronic steering assist despite the fact that feel suffered significantly with the change. It's been years and still the feeling is numb compared to good old hydraulic assist. However, the change was worth a couple of tenths of a percentage of fuel efficiency, which is why they did not go back. Start stop, cylinder deactivation, electronic steering, transmission decoupling (for highway coasting) are all becoming common place. I think it is a good thing. We the consumers benefit from better efficiency and car makers still make high performance, fun cars. Much better than the 70s solution of smaller displacement AND less power.
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

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This maybe a dumb question, but is there anything different about the starter being used? Is still a mechanical starter? If so, I feel like that would be a lot of wear and tear if its not an upgraded version of the starter. I think I would prefer not to have this feature at all, and if the car has it I would like to be able to turn it of permanently and not have it reset everytime the ignition is cycled.
I agree 100%, depending on the type of stop/go traffic you travel, the starter could fail during long term ownership. It's one thing to have it replaced under warranty or extended warranty, would it be covered under the 5 year/60,000 drivetrain warranty? All for 1 mile per gallon, that is why I purchased a leftover 2015.
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I agree 100%, depending on the type of stop/go traffic you travel, the starter could fail during long term ownership. It's one thing to have it replaced under warranty or extended warranty, would it be covered under the 5 year/60,000 drivetrain warranty? All for 1 mile per gallon, that is why I purchased a leftover 2015.
I've been told that the starter used with the ESS system on the 3.6L has been duty tested to 2 million cycles. It also has a 130A auxiliary battery.
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

I think the starter is upgraded and intended for this type of operation, if I remember right it was supposed to handle 2 million starts or something like that. That's not to say it still couldn't fail but its not as if they are using the same old standard starter. Milous said this new 2016 v6 engine has like 80% new parts so its likely been designed around this vs just a tack on. I'm not a big fan of the stop start but from what I hear its fairly transparent I would like to try driving one to see what its like
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Re: 2016 Owners...how's the stop and start working?

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I agree 100%, depending on the type of stop/go traffic you travel, the starter could fail during long term ownership. It's one thing to have it replaced under warranty or extended warranty, would it be covered under the 5 year/60,000 drivetrain warranty? All for 1 mile per gallon, that is why I purchased a leftover 2015.
It's not about you getting an extra mile per gallon. In time they want to see millions of people saving one mile per gallon. That is supposed to help save us from global warming.

I don't necessarily agree with the science, but our so called leaders do.

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