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2016 to get twin turbos?

From what I was reading today the 3.6 is supposed to get twin turbos and direct injection for the 2016 model year. The Grand Cherokee is supposed to be the first vehicle to get this engine. I wonder if it will replace the 5.7?

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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

I think that is the theory, to move away from v8s and use more economical turbo 6 cyl engines (as per Ford ecoboost). There was talk of them using the pentastar with turbos in some maseratis.
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

Chrysler Pentastar V6 to gain turbo, direct injection from 2015 – report
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

I hope they keep the Hemi as an option. I ignored the new explorers because they only had the 6, same with the new 4runners.

If this does happen I guess I'll have to switch to BMW or an SRT. Go ahead jeep, give me an excuse....
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

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I hope they keep the Hemi as an option. I ignored the new explorers because they only had the 6, same with the new 4runners.

If this does happen I guess I'll have to switch to BMW or an SRT. Go ahead jeep, give me an excuse....
Same here. If a V8 was not an option I just moved on to the models that did offer them. I passed over the 4-runner, explorer, pathfinder, ect. The anti V8 agenda is the result of the crazy Government gas mileage requirements. This has also caused some great models from even being offered in the US. Maybe people will actually think next time before they pick a leader.
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

If Chrysler makes the switch to twin turbos, they will have a lot of problems initially, just as BMW and Ford have with their initial efforts at gas turbo charged engines. They save fuel if you have a light foot on the accelerator, so that the turbos don't spool up that much. But if you stay on the boost, your mileage will be as bad as a V-8 if not worse.
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

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I hope they keep the Hemi as an option. I ignored the new explorers because they only had the 6, same with the new 4runners.

If this does happen I guess I'll have to switch to BMW or an SRT. Go ahead jeep, give me an excuse....

I totally agree as well.

I dumped my 4th Generation 4Runner that had a great V8 engine because the new ones didn't (and still don't) offer a V8 option.

If Jeep drops the V8 on the Grand Cherokee, I'll go to someone who still carries them like Land Rover, Porsche, BMW, or Mercedes.
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

I have hemi v8 but would have bought turbo v6 over it if available.
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

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I totally agree as well.

I dumped my 4th Generation 4Runner that had a great V8 engine because the new ones didn't (and still don't) offer a V8 option.

If Jeep drops the V8 on the Grand Cherokee, I'll go to someone who still carries them like Land Rover, Porsche, BMW, or Mercedes.
I've got bad news for you guys: almost no one on that list has V8s anymore. M class killed the V8s this year except for the AMG, Porsche switched the Cayennes and Macans to turbo v6s (except the very top $100k+ Cayenne Turbos), BMWs - same, turbo v6s. LR - haven't looked at them lately because they're incredibly unreliable but I suspect they will be moving in that direction for the same reason everyone else is, which is government regulations.

Still, as someone who wrote off a number of SUVs when shopping because they didn't have V8 power, a twin-turbo v6 isn't bad as long as it actually provides comparable (or better) performance. Not that it will save gas and yes, it will be less reliable. But ultimately, that's the result of government regulation, and within the next few years you're not going to see V8s in cars costing less than 6 figures.

EDIT: Just looked at the RR Sport, base is now a turbo V6 as well. You have to pay for the Supercharged to get the V8, which starts at $80k. Which, for a real V8 is actually a bargain these days. Too bad they're unreliable POSs.
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I suspect they will be moving in that direction for the same reason everyone else is, which is government regulations.
Exactly: blame CAFE and its gimmicky scoring system.

That said, if they happened to use something like a hybrid turbocharger it might be the best of both worlds (i.e. no turbo lag).
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Re: 2016 to get twin turbos?

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Exactly: blame CAFE and its gimmicky scoring system.

That said, if they happened to use something like a hybrid turbocharger it might be the best of both worlds (i.e. no turbo lag).
I'm actually starting to consider a Tesla because I can't imagine we will get both performance and long term reliability with all these turbos and hybrid systems. The turbos add stress to the engine, the hybrid system introduces their own issues as well. So if you get a hybrid/turbo engine combo you will face maintaining the electric portion (including likely swapping the battery after a number of years), plus now dealing with a turbo that wears out and an overworked engine that will die far sooner than our V8s. The all electric, at that point, is just very simple and low maintenance, high performance and gas costs almost nothing. Yes, you will swap the battery eventually but you won't deal with the internal combustion engine components, transmission, etc.
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The all electric, at that point, is just very simple and low maintenance, high performance and gas costs almost nothing.
That seems like a possibility, though it would come at the expense of range and likely surrendering any vestige of off road capability.

High stresses introduced by these turbos are a natural fit with a diesel engine. However, given the fact of this market distortion from the government who knows what oddities will end up on the market?
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