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The only company that makes an AWD minivan is Toyota (I refuse to buy a foreign car...
The Toyota Siennas sold in North American are built in Indiana.
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... 2 older kids are 5 point harnessed til 60lbs(car seat max and dot want to mess with reaching between seats to buckle boosters for my almost 4 yr old) and my baby is in a graco snugride base/carrier.. other seats are graco nautilous(really wide dot reccommend) and sunshine kids radian 65( very narrow)
We use a seatbelt extender # 5083695AA which brings it upand makes buckling very easy. It also not too expensive and finally doesn't influence te belts function. We ordered only one though, just be sure that it works with the boosters we have.

Back to the Main topic, we have three boys (9, 6, 3) in 2 boosters with backrest and one buster. Enough space to sit, with the seatbelt extender easy to buckle, to avoid arguments on 'overlapping interests' too close. However, apparently still to distant for them as they have to scream to each other to 'explain' themselves.

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The Toyota Siennas sold in North American are built in Indiana.
...with component parts that the vast majority of which are not produced in America. And then Toyota takes their profits back to Japan. Morally opposed to it. Sorry.
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We use a seatbelt extender # 5083695AA which brings it upand makes buckling very easy. It also not too expensive and finally doesn't influence te belts function. We ordered only one though, just be sure that it works with the boosters we have.

Back to the Main topic, we have three boys (9, 6, 3) in 2 boosters with backrest and one buster. Enough space to sit, with the seatbelt extender easy to buckle, to avoid arguments on 'overlapping interests' too close. However, apparently still to distant for them as they have to scream to each other to 'explain' themselves.

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Thanks. That is kinda what I'm wondering, as my kids get older, can they outgrow the GC? Sounds like they won't.
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We use a seatbelt extender # 5083695AA which brings it upand makes buckling very easy. It also not too expensive and finally doesn't influence te belts function. We ordered only one though, just be sure that it works with the boosters we have.

Back to the Main topic, we have three boys (9, 6, 3) in 2 boosters with backrest and one buster. Enough space to sit, with the seatbelt extender easy to buckle, to avoid arguments on 'overlapping interests' too close. However, apparently still to distant for them as they have to scream to each other to 'explain' themselves.

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Thanks for the input!

I will keep that in mind when my kids outgrow their 5 pt harnesses. Right now my oldest is 32 lbs soaking wet so I have a while to keep them 5pt harnessed which is one with me since it is the safest way to go..
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...with component parts that the vast majority of which are not produced in America. And then Toyota takes their profits back to Japan. Morally opposed to it. Sorry.
Thats actually not true.

85% of the components of the Toyota Sienna are produced in America, and the vehicle is built in America. 75% of the Honda Odyssey's components are produce in America, and the vehicle is built in America. Only 79% of a Jeep Wrangler's components are produced in America. Don't know the stats for the Grand Cherokee. Doesn't get more American than a Corvette right? Only 75% american produced components...same as the Honda Odyssey and less than SEVERAL Honda and Toyota products.

As for corporate profits...you do realize Chrysler is owned by Fiat...a foreign company right? Chrysler is not an American car company any longer...and corporate profits go to Italy. If thats such a big concern, you should buy a Ford or GM product, only companies left that are headquartered in the US.

Anyways, you're talking about corporate profits, Toyota and Honda employ a LOT of US workers...

The lines nowadays are so blurred...what is or isn't a "domestic" car is just not clear anymore.

As for the Minivan...I hate them and love the Jeep...but once we have a kid...the Jeep gets replaced with a minivan most likely. They just can't be beat for family hauling, the flexibility of the seating, the flat floor. Hell, we were hauling some furniture and things out of town last weekend with my sister in law's Honda Odyssey and our Jeep...and with the seats out the Odyssey is so much more functional than the keep for carrying things its not even funny.

Once the kids are older...we'll get rid of the fan and get another Jeep.

Those of you though who are suffering with 3 carseats in a two row Jeep...thats just crazy IMHO.
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Those of you though who are suffering with 3 carseats in a two row Jeep...thats just crazy IMHO.
No suffering here...love it...works great with 3 car seats...im not gonna haul furniture in a minivan or a jeep.. I will do that with a truck or trailer..

How do u know its suffering with 3 kids across a jeep when you have 0?
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No suffering here...love it...works great with 3 car seats...im not gonna haul furniture in a minivan or a jeep.. I will do that with a truck or trailer..

How do u know its suffering with 3 kids across a jeep when you have 0?
Exactly. You don't haul furniture with a minivan. That's what the F150 is for. And I've have 3 kids across the back of the of rear seat in the Mountaineer for some time now, despite the fact that it's got a third row. The kids would rather sit together.
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I don't have kids, but I have all kinds of family with kids that have Minivans and don't, and my wife spent years as a nanny so she's hauled all kinds of kids in all manner of different vehicles.

What if you want to take someone else with you in your Jeep with your kids? What if grandma or grandpa want to go on an outing with you? You also have no available seats other than the front seat (and by your admission it makes that front seat very cramped with a rear facing seat) when using the vehicle without your kids present without dismantling the carseats one poster here had to go so far as to say he had to remove and reinstall one of the Jeep's seats to make fit.

My sister in law only has one kid, but we were able to all (6 adults) get in the van and go somewhere with him in his carseat, and everybody was 100% comfortable. That would not have happened with the Jeep.

I just don't see how anyone with an unbiased viewpoint can say that an SUV, whether it has two or three rows, is as versatile a people and stuff hauler as a Minivan unless that person has had no experience with a modern minivan.

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Exactly. You don't haul furniture with a minivan. That's what the F150 is for.
Why don't you haul furniture with a minivan? What if you don't have an F150? Why would I want to spend money on a truck, and go through the hassle of renting a truck and returning it, when I have a minivan that will haul what I want to haul when I remove two lightweight seats?

That minivan swallowed a BUNCH of antiques and saved the day. The Jeep can't hold a candle to the utility of a minivan in that area. It looks a lot better, its a lot cooler, and you can go a bunch more places...but thats only valuable to a certain point.

My advice would be have an open mind and look at a minivan if you're going to be carrying combinations of kids and adults. I could see getting by with the Jeep with one kid, but two or more I'd want a Minivan.
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I don't have kids, but I have all kinds of family with kids that have Minivans and don't, and my wife spent years as a nanny so she's hauled all kinds of kids in all manner of different vehicles.

What if you want to take someone else with you in your Jeep with your kids? What if grandma or grandpa want to go on an outing with you? You also have no available seats other than the front seat (and by your admission it makes that front seat very cramped with a rear facing seat) when using the vehicle without your kids present without dismantling the carseats one poster here had to go so far as to say he had to remove and reinstall one of the Jeep's seats to make fit.

My sister in law only has one kid, but we were able to all (6 adults) get in the van and go somewhere with him in his carseat, and everybody was 100% comfortable. That would not have happened with the Jeep.

I just don't see how anyone with an unbiased viewpoint can say that an SUV, whether it has two or three rows, is as versatile a people and stuff hauler as a Minivan unless that person has had no experience with a modern minivan.



Why don't you haul furniture with a minivan? What if you don't have an F150? Why would I want to spend money on a truck, and go through the hassle of renting a truck and returning it, when I have a minivan that will haul what I want to haul when I remove two lightweight seats?

That minivan swallowed a BUNCH of antiques and saved the day. The Jeep can't hold a candle to the utility of a minivan in that area. It looks a lot better, its a lot cooler, and you can go a bunch more places...but thats only valuable to a certain point.

My advice would be have an open mind and look at a minivan if you're going to be carrying combinations of kids and adults. When we have a kid in a few years, the Jeep gets replaced with a minivan...bottom line.
Thanks for the $.02. A minivan really just doesn't suit our needs - mostly because where we live it's winter 7 months out of the year and we want an AWD 4WD/vehicle. In all honestly, we did test drive the Toyota Sienna minivan in AWD. Its AWD system just really wasn't very impressive - not for the kind of weather we face. Plus, the interior fit and finish left a lot to be desired. I think the cows they used for the leather seats must have been vinyl-fed cows. Just very cheap. Not impressed. Not to mention that we live out of town a bit and off the beaten path. Not exactly prime territory for a minivan.

Also, I'm not going to buy a vehicle that I don't really want or care for just for all the "what-ifs". I'm going to buy a vehicle that will suit my needs 99% of the time that I actually enjoy driving, my wife enjoys driving, that can take us where we want to go, and that will stand up to harsh arctic weather and off-road conditions. I'm not saying minivans don't have their place, but not everybody lives in suburbia.
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In a climate like that its a different story, but I'd still get something with 3 rows just for the flexibility of being able to carry people in addition to you, your wife and your kids.

Don't even get me started about the interior quality of modern day Toyotas. Its TERRIBLE. Terrible quality leather, plastics, everything. It really is a shame because their interiors used to be some of the best. Its not just the Sienna, its everything they make nowadays pretty much.

The van I would buy is the Honda Odyssey. No AWD, but quality and styling is much better than the Sienna...
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In a climate like that its a different story, but I'd still get something with 3 rows just for the flexibility of being able to carry people in addition to you, your wife and your kids.

Don't even get me started about the interior quality of modern day Toyotas. Its TERRIBLE. Terrible quality leather, plastics, everything. It really is a shame because their interiors used to be some of the best. Its not just the Sienna, its everything they make nowadays pretty much.

The van I would buy is the Honda Odyssey. No AWD, but quality and styling is much better than the Sienna...
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