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When you make a statement...stand by it. Several places in your previous posts you asserted that 4WD was a REQUIREMENT...now you know you don't need it? Here they are:









So which is it, do you NEED it or is it nice to have? Three rows of seats are nice to have, additional cargo room is nice to have. More flexible seating and storage are nice to have too. In the mid-atlantic area you do not need 4WD to get around safely, there are other options. Hell, even in the northeast you don't need 4WD.



Personally, if I lived in an area that gets that much snow...I would buy snow tires even for the Jeep. 4WD is not infallible, and the OEM tires aren't even SUV tires.

Need want whatever it is. On a platter for ya:
To have peice of mind making my trips to see family in the winter or just for everyday winter snowstorm driving I need 4x4.. So I don't have to worry about stranding my family somewhere or needing to find snow chains...
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Re: 3 kids

Will someone please pour cold water on these 2????????
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The guy who pays for the vehicle gets to be the decider, and that's frickin' final.
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I don't have kids, but I have all kinds of family with kids that have Minivans and don't, and my wife spent years as a nanny so she's hauled all kinds of kids in all manner of different vehicles.

What if you want to take someone else with you in your Jeep with your kids? What if grandma or grandpa want to go on an outing with you? You also have no available seats other than the front seat (and by your admission it makes that front seat very cramped with a rear facing seat) when using the vehicle without your kids present without dismantling the carseats one poster here had to go so far as to say he had to remove and reinstall one of the Jeep's seats to make fit.

My sister in law only has one kid, but we were able to all (6 adults) get in the van and go somewhere with him in his carseat, and everybody was 100% comfortable. That would not have happened with the Jeep.

I just don't see how anyone with an unbiased viewpoint can say that an SUV, whether it has two or three rows, is as versatile a people and stuff hauler as a Minivan unless that person has had no experience with a modern minivan.



Why don't you haul furniture with a minivan? What if you don't have an F150? Why would I want to spend money on a truck, and go through the hassle of renting a truck and returning it, when I have a minivan that will haul what I want to haul when I remove two lightweight seats?

That minivan swallowed a BUNCH of antiques and saved the day. The Jeep can't hold a candle to the utility of a minivan in that area. It looks a lot better, its a lot cooler, and you can go a bunch more places...but thats only valuable to a certain point.

My advice would be have an open mind and look at a minivan if you're going to be carrying combinations of kids and adults. I could see getting by with the Jeep with one kid, but two or more I'd want a Minivan.
You contradict yourself in this thread.. Here you say what if you wanna haul more than just your kids, what of you need more cargo room... Later on in the thread you say....
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The front seats (at least on the Odyssey, and I know on a few of the other offerings because I've seen the commercials) will slide up and tilt with the carseat installed, so you can still access the third row.

The third row seats also flip and fold 50/50, and you can easily access the third row with one of the seats folded down then fold it back up to sit. Not ideal, but people can still access the third row.

Its MUCH harder in a 3 row SUV, which is why I think a Minivan is a much better choice.



Like I said, I have direct experience loading both. I would say for strollers and luggage, the Odyssey's compartment with all three rows up is MORE convenient than the Jeep's compartment with only two rows, mostly due to the narrow nature of the Jeep's cargo floor, and the high floor. I find anything long in the Jeep is awkward to load. The Odyssey is low, easy to load, and its obviously designed to carry strollers specifically. The area from the back of the third row to the door is probably 3-3.5 feet.

Plus...you're carrying two more people.

Now, if you drop the third row, which you would do 90% of the time, the Odyssey has easily 3 times the usable luggage space with a flatter, wider, lower load floor, and much greater headroom allowing you to carry more stuff without impeding your view out the back.



But see that statement makes no sense, because you would not have been carrying additional people and would have had much more room in the van with the third row stowed.

Anyways, if the picnic table fit in the back of the Jeep, it would fit in the Odyssey just on its side even with the third row up.



Remember, a minivan is designed SPECIFICALLY to carry children. Every cargo hold is designed specifically with strollers in mind. The seats are designed specifically with carseats in mind. Not the case with the Jeep.



I travel routinely to WV where there is a lot of snow. When I was a kid we did it in a RWD van. I've travelled in the Mtns of PA and MD in FWD sedans in the snow going skiing. 4WD is nice, makes that a lot more fun and less stressful, but you don't *need* 4WD really when traveling in the mid-atlantic area. Don't know what to say about your parents driveway, that would be tough, but to ignore all the benefits of a particular vehicle to your everyday life because a couple times a year you might have to contend with a snowy driveway doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, especially when you do have another 4WD vehicle you could drive on specific trips where you know accessing that driveway would be difficult.
And here you say it doesn't make much sense to you to buy a vehicle that can handle a difficult winter driveway that you might only experience a couple times a yr..
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Re: 3 kids

So which one is it? You would buy a vehicle for the what ifs or not??
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You contradict yourself in this thread.. Here you say what if you wanna haul more than just your kids, what of you need more cargo room... Later on in the thread you say....
I don't contradict myself at all. As I said, several times, the Minivan would allow me to carry the same amount of people as my Jeep, with MORE cargo room with the rear seat stowed, or allow me to carry two additional people than my Jeep with the SAME cargo room. What I like about the van vs the Jeep when you have kids is the flexibility. The van suits a greater possible amount of needs.

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And here you say it doesn't make much sense to you to buy a vehicle that can handle a difficult winter driveway that you might only experience a couple times a yr..
Huh?!? WTH are you talking about? If you're trying to suggest that my need to carry more than my wife and kids would be a "couple time a year" experience, it wouldn't be. It would be a weekly need at least.

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So which one is it? You would buy a vehicle for the what ifs or not??
You can't buy a vehicle for every possible combination of what ifs in the world. Like I said before, you don't have to justify yourself to me. Buy what you want. All I ever said was I personally think its crazy to spend $40,000 on a primary family vehicle with only 5 seats when you have two adults and three kids in a family. To me thats not a family vehicle, but if it is for you, good for you. My Lexus seats 5...but I would never own it as a "family vehicle".

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Will someone please pour cold water on these 2????????
Seriously, please do! I'm 110% happy to just let this drop but this guy won't let go of it. It was over as far as I was concerned with his post several posts up...then he comes back 7 hours later and decides he wants to stir it up again...
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Perfectly happy here too but u say what if what if when pushing a van... Then say it doesn't make sense to buy a vehicle on a what if such as a deep snowy driveway.. And I was busy at work and with my kids hence the 7 hrs.. $40k on a minivan is outragous IMHO an I have seen them up there.. Your Lexus is a bigger sedan correct? I would do 3 across in that too personally.. Once again not justifying anything.. Could care less if u think a jeep is a bad choice...just conversing about how I don't think it Is...hence the 3 kids title of the thread... I have seen PLENTY of families rockin an suv as a main family car... I am actually kickin around test fitting car seats in a Lexus is250 awd as our second fam car.. Just have my doubts on them fitting.. Would sell truck and Acura .. Just not sure I wanna part with the truck since the jeep doesn't have a ton of cargo area...
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Perfectly happy here too but u say what if what if when pushing a van... Then say it doesn't make sense to buy a vehicle on a what if such as a deep snowy driveway..
This statement just doesn't make any sense. What are you trying to say?

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$40k on a minivan is outragous IMHO an I have seen them up there..
$40k is typical nowadays, a loaded Odyssey or Sienna can be $45k. They have a lot of features and amenities. Lots of people think $40k is outrageous for an SUV...

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Your Lexus is a bigger sedan correct? I would do 3 across in that too personally..
In a pinch, but I don't have the luxury of driving around in a vehicle that I can only carry 1 passenger in.

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I am actually kickin around test fitting car seats in a Lexus is250 awd as our second fam car.. Just have my doubts on them fitting..
They won't fit. The IS is actually really small, especially in the back.
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This statement just doesn't make any sense. What are you trying to say?



$40k is typical nowadays, a loaded Odyssey or Sienna can be $45k. They have a lot of features and amenities. Lots of people think $40k is outrageous for an SUV...



In a pinch, but I don't have the luxury of driving around in a vehicle that I can only carry 1 passenger in.



They won't fit. The IS is actually really small, especially in the back.
About making no sense.. U say in a quoted post above( I would quite te exact thing but too much of a PITA on the iPhone) "what if you want to carry gma and gpa with u" or "what if you need more cargo area" when talking about getting a van over a wk2 with 3 kids across.. Then later on in another quote I provided above you say "it doesn't make much sense to buy a vehicle on a what if such as maybe needing 4x4 on a deep snowy driveway"... To be honest, I contend with deep snowy driveways more than I ever need to haul more passengers..

And On the IS.. I'm afraid u are right on not fitting seats in.. It would only be for daycare pick ups when my wife can't do it I te jeep.. But I'm dreaming on getting one of those haha..
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Why don't you two just get a hotel room if you want to make out like this?
have you noticed you're the only ones talking?
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Is250 hip room is 54". My carseats are 17" wide.. Not entirely impossible...
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