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Re: 4Runner Comparison

I'm with you guys on the Pathfinder. She's a homely girl. Has anybody seen the pics of the 2016 Pilot? It's gone all mommy wagon now too - not that any Pilots should be used for rock crawling, but at least the old ones looked stocky.

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Pilots should be used for rock crawling, but at least the old ones looked stocky.
Those Pilots are all to boxy looking. No style to them whatsoever. And I won't even mention the cartoonish cheap looking interior.
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Old 03-28-2015, 11:49 AM
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Those Pilots are all to boxy looking. No style to them whatsoever. And I won't even mention the cartoonish cheap looking interior.
Yep the interior is what keeps me away from Honda and even Acura
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Re: 4Runner Comparison

I also found that the 4Runner has a very hard piece in the seat back which is downright painful. It is apparently linked to the headrest, as discussed on a 4Runner forum. I considered the 4Runner, then bought the dramatically better Grand Cherokee.
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Old 03-28-2015, 02:24 PM
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I never liked the 4runner- hard seats, cheap interior etc. It does function well for an off-roader and it gives you a no-thrills ride. These days as I get older, I need something more than just a spartan life-style and existence. The GC does it for me without breaking the bank too much.
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Re: 4Runner Comparison

I too have a 3 rd Gen. 98 4Runner Ltd. with 174K on the clock. I 'm going to the dealer on Tues. to check out an Overland and Summit.
My 4Runner has been the best vehicle I have ever had. Only three things have gone bad in that time. A starter,alt, and valve cover gaskets. After 17 yrs. I'm getting a little tired of it though. It still looks great for it's age. As for the new 4Runner I just will not look at that Darth Vader front fascia .
So with that said on to the new Summit.
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Re: 4Runner Comparison

Houghton Lake, like you I came from another brand because the other brand went crazy. Ford made the Explorer into a bloated front wheel drive mini-van like thing.

The "Toyota reliability" myth is also just that, as many people have had reliable vehicles from other makers. My 2006 Ford Explorer was the most reliable vehicle I've every had. It was an Eddie Bauer model with the V8, towing package (never used), and I installed a fancy Pioneer navigation and sound system (leaps and bounds better, except for voice recognition, than the system in my loaded 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland). The only things which went wrong in 163,132 miles were a door lock motor gear (I open and close the doors way more often than most people, as it was a work vehicle), a sensor ring on one rear hub (inexpensive replacement), the brake-transmission interlock solenoid at the shifter (replaced by recall), the radiator, and a rough downshift to first when stopping (repaired under warranty, a known problem with the ZF 6-speed for which aftermarket parts are now available). My 2002 Mercury Mountaineer V8 was even more reliable, but I only kept it for 98,000 miles due to the rough ride. In that time it only needed a pinched fuel tank vent line rand a paint flaw repaired when brand new, and a small idler pulley replaced.
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Re: 4Runner Comparison

I looked through the window of a new 4Runner the other day after hearing on here how garbage the interior was. Looked like all other Toyotas I've had the displeasure of driving in the past.

I just got back from a trip to spring training in Phoenix and Thrifty put me in a Corolla. Haven't driven such an utter POS in years. It was a 2013 (last before the recent update) and had 45k on it. The interior was worn like it had 150k on it with loose trim and paint worn off plastic. It was so underpowered I needed at least 4,000RPM to keep up with traffic. Freeway on ramps were routinely a redline affair. 4-speed tranny had me at 3,000RPM at 65mph. Something was rattling underneath and the steering would not easily stay centered and got scary above 60. And the Toyota badge on the grille had fallen off. Took it back the next day and they put me in a Chevy Sonic LTZ sedan. Never thought I'd say this, but that little Chevy was head and shoulders above the Toyota in almost every way. Leather, lovely touch screen infotainment, turbo motor, 6-speed tranny and relatively sporty handling.

And don't get me started on the Nissan Altima I had in California a few weeks ago. CHEAP plastic inside, that godawful CVT and a noisy 2.5L 4-banger that I doubt they could get any less HP per L out of if they tried. On par with the other Nissans I've had as rentals (Rogue, Versa Note).
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I looked through the window of a new 4Runner the other day after hearing on here how garbage the interior was. Looked like all other Toyotas I've had the displeasure of driving in the past.

I just got back from a trip to spring training in Phoenix and Thrifty put me in a Corolla. Haven't driven such an utter POS in years. It was a 2013 (last before the recent update) and had 45k on it. The interior was worn like it had 150k on it with loose trim and paint worn off plastic. It was so underpowered I needed at least 4,000RPM to keep up with traffic. Freeway on ramps were routinely a redline affair. 4-speed tranny had me at 3,000RPM at 65mph. Something was rattling underneath and the steering would not easily stay centered and got scary above 60. And the Toyota badge on the grille had fallen off. Took it back the next day and they put me in a Chevy Sonic LTZ sedan. Never thought I'd say this, but that little Chevy was head and shoulders above the Toyota in almost every way. Leather, lovely touch screen infotainment, turbo motor, 6-speed tranny and relatively sporty handling.

And don't get me started on the Nissan Altima I had in California a few weeks ago. CHEAP plastic inside, that godawful CVT and a noisy 2.5L 4-banger that I doubt they could get any less HP per L out of if they tried. On par with the other Nissans I've had as rentals (Rogue, Versa Note).
I agree with you on Nissan they are really churning out a bunch of junk anymore arnt they. I used to consider Nissan the more sporty of the Japanese base level brands years ago and not bad cars. But now they are a bunch of cheap econbox junk everyone of them. and what about that Nissan Juke, how could they make a prototype of that car and think wow this is a great car lets produce it, its the ugliest car on the road.
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Houghton Lake, like you I came from another brand because the other brand went crazy. Ford made the Explorer into a bloated front wheel drive mini-van like thing.
If anyone here thinks looking at their 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee from behind and doesn't think "mini van" you are fooling yourselves. I love mine, but I have to admit, while the front is very agressive, IMHO, the rear is just grocery getter.

Back on topic, the 4Runner of today reminds me of some Jeep models from the past, all bloated fender to make a soft style more agressive.

I still can't imagine paying top dollar for the 4Runner given that the Jeep gives you so much at the same price point.
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I'm with you guys on the Pathfinder. She's a homely girl. Has anybody seen the pics of the 2016 Pilot? It's gone all mommy wagon now too - not that any Pilots should be used for rock crawling, but at least the old ones looked stocky.
Yep, just like nearly every other SUV from every car company - they've all gone "Soccer Mom" with their designs. Moms finally said enough of minivans a few years back and the car companies have made their SUVs round and soft to appeal to the family taxi driver.

I started looking at SUVs, CUVs, etc. over a year ago and I've looked at just about everything in all price ranges. Everytime I found one I somewhat liked, I either hated it once I drove it or saw too many Moms driving it and then crossed it off the list. I agree with the statements about Nissan - man they have really gone downhill. I had a 1993 Maxima SE and that car was kick ass in nearly every way. Engine was powerful; design of both exterior and interior was cutting edge; handled like a sports car; awesome reliability and durability. When I dumped it at 200K the guy who bought it was a former Nissan mechanic and he said that particular engine was so close to the one they used in their race cars that it would run easily for another 150K without an overhaul.

I've had an Acura TL for 9 years and it's an awesome car. Even though Honda owns the brand, there are few similarities IMO between the two brands in terms of design and interior build qualities. Great example is the Pilot and the new MDX. The new MDX is a very nice machine and I would likely buy one if it could fit my 6'4" frame but it won't; odd because my much older and smaller TL fits me better than any car I've ever had. I would give a bucket of garbage for a Pilot though. I just had a TLX loaner about 2 weeks ago and that is one very nice ride but again too small and too low to the ground for my nearly 50 year old body.

In the end, I believe the Jeep GC is one of the only SUVs out there where a guy can but it, drive it, and still keep somewhat of his "man" card.
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If anyone here thinks looking at their 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee from behind and doesn't think "mini van" you are fooling yourselves. I love mine, but I have to admit, while the front is very agressive, IMHO, the rear is just grocery getter.
Then you need spacers; 1.25" looks great. Look at the back of an SRT, cannot possibly think grocery getter. Only real difference there is the wider / agressive stance with wide rims and tires.
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