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Re: $50k+ is a lot of money for a new vehicle...

If you're making your monthly mortgage payments, you have no other loans (second mortgage, student loans), you're paying all the monthly bills on time and have no credit card debt, you're both contributing at least the minimum to your company's 401K to receive full matching funds (maybe even purchasing your company's stock through ESPP), saving for the kids college fund, and you both have sufficent amounts of insurance...and you still have disposable income after all that...

...I say go for it! You only live once!
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:58 AM
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Re: $50k+ is a lot of money for a new vehicle...

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The OP sounds quite young yet (the mention of toddler). He has "just" started making a good wage (the mention of 2 or 3 years). The worst thing to do (in my opinion) is drop 50K on a car.

I stand by my original comment; get a used GC (2011+) for just over half price. Or buy another used honda and push it around for a few years yet. If you use your new income wisely, stuff it all away in investments or pay off your mortgage early etc., you will be much better off in life later on.
Again, you're living today with your primary focus being on tomorrow. I live in and focus on today. Thats not to say that you ignore tomorrow, I have a plan for tomorrow and work it...I have since I started earning an income, but I'm not going to deny myself things I want and can afford today so that I can have "more" tomorrow. I know by the virtue of my plan what I will have tomorrow and its plenty.

As for my mortgage...I have no interest in paying off my 4% interest tax-deductible mortgage personally. I'll keep that bad boy until I don't have any income from which to deduct the interest.

Different ways of looking at things I suppose. Perhaps you'll rot in a casket with more money than me, but thats not my goal. The point is, you can make wise financial moves AND have things in your life that you want when you want them. Buying a $50,000 car is NEVER a "wise financial move", nor is eating in a restaurant, or choosing steak over chicken, or going on vacation, etc etc etc. Life isn't about always taking the "smartest" path.

From what we've been told he's got the income to plan for his future, live today, AND buy his Jeep he wants. So...I say buy the Jeep.

On another topic if you have gross income of $250,000 and you're only bringing home $11,000 per month after taxes and all...you need some help with your tax planning.
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Re: $50k+ is a lot of money for a new vehicle...

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..Life isn't about always taking the "smartest" path....
Well said. And isn't this the reason we buy Jeeps. So we can take any path
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:05 AM
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Well said. And isn't this the reason we buy Jeeps. So we can take any path
This is true lol
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Re: $50k+ is a lot of money for a new vehicle...

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Again, you're living today with your primary focus being on tomorrow. I live in and focus on today. Thats not to say that you ignore tomorrow, I have a plan for tomorrow and work it...I have since I started earning an income, but I'm not going to deny myself things I want and can afford today so that I can have "more" tomorrow. I know by the virtue of my plan what I will have tomorrow and its plenty.

As for my mortgage...I have no interest in paying off my 4% interest tax-deductible mortgage personally. I'll keep that bad boy until I don't have any income from which to deduct the interest.

Different ways of looking at things I suppose. Perhaps you'll rot in a casket with more money than me, but thats not my goal. The point is, you can make wise financial moves AND have things in your life that you want when you want them. Buying a $50,000 car is NEVER a "wise financial move", nor is eating in a restaurant, or choosing steak over chicken, or going on vacation, etc etc etc. Life isn't about always taking the "smartest" path.

From what we've been told he's got the income to plan for his future, live today, AND buy his Jeep he wants. So...I say buy the Jeep.

On another topic if you have gross income of $250,000 and you're only bringing home $11,000 per month after taxes and all...you need some help with your tax planning.
It most definitely IS different ways of looking at things, no "suppose" needed . I agree that 50K is NEVER a wise financial move. It's a luxury, pure and simple, which is why I say at his age he should be focusing on building up financial equity, not throwing it away on disposable items.

Answer me this; If he or his wife loses their job in a short time, his combined income drops severely. You don't think he would regret dropping the money on that new GC?

You're whole argument is based on the fact that you need proper "balance" and that you should enjoy life; no point in dying with a large bank account. Some people haven't learned yet that you don't NEED a 50K brand new vehicle to enjoy life. If he has his heart set on a GC, my advice is for a used one at almost half price. Same enjoyment, much less risk, much better planning for the future. If he dies young, his wife and kid(s) will still appreciate his good financial situation, probably even more so now that is income is gone; so your other half of the argument is quite bogus too, imo.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:11 PM
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which is why I say at his age he should be focusing on building up financial equity, not throwing it away on disposable items.
I don't view buying a vehicle one really wants and will derive a great deal of enjoyment from owning as "throwing it away".

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Answer me this; If he or his wife loses their job in a short time, his combined income drops severely. You don't think he would regret dropping the money on that new GC?
He may, IF that happens. You told me my argument that he may die before he gets to where he can enjoy the fruits of his sacrifice was not a worthy argument because statistically that was unlikely to happen. Well, statistically they're unlikely to loose their jobs.

In any event, he has to make a determination about how secure his situation is before he decides to make any large purchase. If he buys the Jeep and looses his job...he can sell the Jeep. He'll take a loss, but if he invests that $50,000 and needs that $50,000 back again in that short a time, he's going to take a loss/pay penalties depending on the investment.

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You're whole argument is based on the fact that you need proper "balance" and that you should enjoy life; no point in dying with a large bank account. Some people haven't learned yet that you don't NEED a 50K brand new vehicle to enjoy life.
As I have said, its not about need. Nobody needs a $50,000 vehicle. Life is not just about having what one needs. He WANTS the Jeep. If he can afford it and its not going to hurt himself or his family financially he should buy it. Life is too short.

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If he has his heart set on a GC, my advice is for a used one at almost half price. Same enjoyment, much less risk, much better planning for the future.
For me its not the same enjoyment. I don't buy used cars, I don't want used cars, I would rather buy a cheaper new car. In any event, paying $30,000 for a used one or $50,000 on a new one...is the $20,000 spread really going to make that big an impact on his financial risk? If $20,000 is so vital, he's not in the financial shape he claims to be in.

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If he dies young, his wife and kid(s) will still appreciate his good financial situation, probably even more so now that is income is gone;
At his age and stage of life, unless he's an idiot he has life insurance. If anything were to happen to me my family would be better off than they are with me alive...whether I bought a $50,000 Jeep or not. Anyways...if he dies...they can sell the Jeep and get a good portion of the $50,000 back.

If your family has to worry about $50,000 when you die...you need to talk to someone about financial planning. In the grand scheme of things $50,000 is nothing.

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so your other half of the argument is quite bogus too, imo.
LOL, you can think my argument is bogus all you want. I'd rather be dead than live like you and the OP...so that shows you what I think of your argument. I work my ass off and I make a great living, as the OP does and I make that living to live the sort of life I want to live, not so that people can have money after I'm dead.

Disclaimer-I'm not advocating buying things or living a life you cannot afford. You need to plan for the future, fund that plan, take care of the needs of life...but if you have money left over when all of that is done...I don't understand why people deny themselves what they want when they have that discretionary income there to pay for it. If you don't care or don't want to do something or have something, thats one thing. But to get to the point where you join a forum looking for ways to justify it...you want it.

An example for me, I'd like a boat. My Dad had a sailboat and we really enjoyed it...I'd like to have a sailboat, I could easily afford to own a sailboat. BUT...I don't really want a sailboat...and I don't feel like I'm denying myself by not buying one. So, I don't have one. I do however want nice cars, so I have them.
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On another topic if you have gross income of $250,000 and you're only bringing home $11,000 per month after taxes and all...you need some help with your tax planning.
I think he said "take home" pay which would be after taxes AND contributions to things like retirement plans, etc. Sounds about right if you're maxing out and saving 20%.
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I think he said "take home" pay which would be after taxes AND contributions to things like retirement plans, etc. Sounds about right if you're maxing out and saving 20%.
That may be the case, and then thats an entirely different situation.

Like I said, buy the Jeep OP
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Although I am not a fan of leasing, that is how a large number of people get behind the wheel of cars they could not "afford" to buy.
My household always owns my commuter car and leases the family car now. I want one car in the family that is ALWAYS under warranty, and I don't mind "throwing away" that money every month as it's a predictable amount that I can account for every month, no unexpected expenses (repairs). At the end of the lease, I can either buy it and flip it depending on what the final value ends up being, or I can turn in the keys and walk away.

I don't put any money down (made that mistake before), so I don't really assume any risk. Basically, I'm renting a car. I'm fine with that. And the nice added bonus is that there's always a great deal out there somewhere, and I can drive a better, safer car than I could afford otherwise.

To me, there are really no negatives. If it depreciates, I lease it. I've been lucky with my 2002 (which I bought). According to current offers on cars.com, three years later I can still sell it for what I paid for it. But for me, no way I'm buying a $40K car anymore. But the high residuals make it very easy to lease Jeeps.
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I lease both our cars now. Several reasons:

1. I always want to trade them around the 3 year mark. Again, like I said I can afford to do that so since I want to do it, and derive enjoyment from doing that, I do that. You just have to realize this is a very expensive way to own vehicles. Seeing that I am going to do that anyways, my analysis has shown me leasing is the cheapest and easiest way to achieve that sort of vehicle ownership where I get a new one every 3 years.

2. I like the flexibility I have at turn in time. I can just turn them in, I can trade them in, or I can buy them and keep them (which I never want to do). Typically I have found that after about 6 months remaining I can actually trade them in and get my payoff and get out with no cost...so really I don't even worry about mileage.

3. I don't have to worry about repairs, etc

4. My wife and I are both 1099, and thus we each can write off a vehicle for business. Leasing makes this a lot simpler.

It works for me, wouldn't work for everyone. To canistel who is so worried about what happens to everybody but me when I die, when I lease and I die the lease agreement is void and the car just gets turned in...removing that crushing burden from my family
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To me, there are really no negatives. If it depreciates, I lease it. I've been lucky with my 2002 (which I bought). According to current offers on cars.com, three years later I can still sell it for what I paid for it. But for me, no way I'm buying a $40K car anymore. But the high residuals make it very easy to lease Jeeps.
Do you really believe your car is worth the same amount 3 years later as when it was on dealership lots? That's the same fallacy the Diesel owners are guilty of. Certain cars or trim level of a certain car may retain their values better but unless you car was very little driven and has a limited edition plaque (not just LE trim level) identifying it as one of 10 (or similar) it ain't holding any value any better than the next door neighbors's junkaroo.

in 2005 Subaru releases the Legacy 2.5 GT and in 2006 they released the ultra rare mega dominant Spec-B complete with a plaque identifying it as one of just 250 ever built. Despite claims from the gullible buyers that these Spec B cars had been cherry-picked and it was the work of love of Tommi Makkinen and Richard Burns and Collin McRae after a threesome, these cars only differed so little from the regular car, less than 3,000 dollars if sourcing out the parts (navi and struts). Yet it commanded a 10,000 dollar price difference. Today, the 2006 Spec Bs are no different than any car of its time. The sought after Spec B were the 2007-2009 as they had an STI transmission (minus the front LSD), navi and suspension upgrades. And these Spec Bs were no longer limited edition and no longer 10K more expensive.

No mass produced produced car holds its value, and the few exceptions that defy the rule do it for meritorious reasons typically associated with motorsports. Certain cars have to be mass produced to be homologated but the numbers needed amount to true limited editions.
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I can believe that his 2002 Jeep Wrangler is worth today what he paid for it 3 years ago. My cousin loves Wranglers and buys them and sells them all the time used. They hold their value incredibly well, and modified Wranglers even if its just a small lift and big tires ALWAYS have a demand.

He buys them, keeps them for a couple years, and sells them for what he paid all the time. He has like 5 right now.
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