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Old 02-23-2011, 10:36 AM
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Is it hot in Dubai? That may be a reason why they use a thicker oil.
Just a bit...last season peaked at 126.
I understand that the thicker oil might be better in hot weather, but what about the MDS then? It is not always that hot.
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5W40 will dont destroy your engine.
But is out of specs for it.
You are the owner of the car and even they will change the oil for free You must ask to use the right one.
May be they just have a huge can of 5W40 and they use no matter diesel, gasoline, motorbike, boats etc etc.
But as long they are able to read the numbers and just one letter ask them to read
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20...
Worst case You can send mail to Jeep factory claiming Your rights about, and asking to push the garage to do as You ask, but than You need forget this dealer forever.
Sad thing is that this is the main branch, not even the closest one. I specifically go there as I tried all the rest and they are LOTS worse, but that is a story for another day.
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Re: 5w25

Wow unbelievable...and people think im crazy when I say DO YOUR OIL YOURSELF!!!! Dealerships are a joke.

You absolutely never know what a dealership does to your car. Even if they do say they put 5w20 in it how the hell do you know thats true? Then theres the filter, the quantity of oil is probably wrong, and to top it off they probably cross threaded the shit out of your drain bolt.

I will never let a dealership touch my car unless its absolutely necessary for something such as a warranty repair where I dont have a choice.

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Go there and start the war than.... http://www.free-ways.net/cims_customer/?clm=j
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:05 AM
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Go there and start the war than.... http://www.free-ways.net/cims_customer/?clm=j
THANKS! This is what I need.
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Re: 5w25

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5W40 will dont destroy your engine.
But is out of specs for it.
You are the owner of the car and even they will change the oil for free You must ask to use the right one.
May be they just have a huge can of 5W40 and they use no matter diesel, gasoline, motorbike, boats etc etc.
But as long they are able to read the numbers and just one letter ask them to read
5...
W...
20...
Worst case You can send mail to Jeep factory claiming Your rights about, and asking to push the garage to do as You ask, but than You need forget this dealer forever.
Of course it won't, I was being dramatic to make a point. I understand how they would come to their conclusion due to the heat in the desert but the factory specifies 5W-20 to allow the MDS to function properly so whatever their armchair engineering may conclude it gets trumped by the factory's requirement. If it didn't have MDS then I wouldn't see an issue and might even agree with them but in this case they are simply wrong and need to be held accountable.
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Go there and start the war than.... http://www.free-ways.net/cims_customer/?clm=j
While I agree that the dealership is just plain wrong in this case, I would urge everyone to NEVER piss off a dealership before letting them work on your car. Even if they are wrong, you are just creating a situation where they could do anything they want to your car. It's kind of like never pissing off a waitress before she brings you your food, just don't do it. Maybe a teaspoon of dirt, into your transmission and they will send you away with the "5w20".
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:07 PM
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While I agree that the dealership is just plain wrong in this case, I would urge everyone to NEVER piss off a dealership before letting them work on your car. Even if they are wrong, you are just creating a situation where they could do anything they want to your car. It's kind of like never pissing off a waitress before she brings you your food, just don't do it. Maybe a teaspoon of dirt, into your transmission and they will send you away with the "5w20".
The dealer is actually very helpful in general. They were very professional in sorting out some initial problems I had with the new Jeep. It is just that they don't know everything they should and can be a bit stubborn at times when I point this out to them.
So I absolutely agree, I would not want to upset them anyway, but I need to convince them somehow.
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Re: 5w25

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BTW, they also insist on doing the services at 10 000 kms instead of the 12K as the manual says.
I was thinking:

5.7l - 10'000km Service intervall
3.6l - 12'000km Service intervall

The 5w40 should not make any problems, its better then the spec (and it does say nothing about the quality of the oil). 10W20 would be a no go.
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Re: 5w25

Can you not just show the dealer the written page of the manual and see how they explain their use of the wrong oil?

If you don't have a printed version, it is available as a PDF from Chrysler.
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I was thinking:

5.7l - 10'000km Service intervall
3.6l - 12'000km Service intervall

The 5w40 should not make any problems, its better then the spec (and it does say nothing about the quality of the oil). 10W20 would be a no go.
Actually yes it does "make a problem"! The last number indicates the effective viscosity of the oil at 100 degrees C. 40 weight oil, at temperature WILL cause the MDS to react slowly and possibly malfunction all together. It IS NOT better than spec, it's THE WRONG spec.

Actually, 10W-20 (which they don't make to the Chrysler spec) would work fine since it's hot viscosity is correct and the motor doesn't go into MDS mode until it's warmed up internally.

It's really quite simple, the manual specifies 5W-20 meeting the Chrysler spec and unless the service manager shows me a mechanical engineering degree and a Chrysler corporation employee badge their opinion means nothing
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Mds needs 5w-20
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