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Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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IMO the CANBUS systems on these newer jeeps are picky about seeing the correct amperage load

This is just a nitpick here, only said because I've reached a threshold of some kind when I see people say "CANBUS system." There's no such thing in the context of what's being said. While it is true that modern vehicles monitor lighting current draw and so forth, this isn't because of something special called "CANBUS." Some hacker that didn't totally understand what they were talking about started saying this sort of thing as if it WAS a thing and it stuck...sadly.

CAN stands for Controller Area Network. It is a set of standards for defining a communications bus and protocol. It isn't a "system" in and of itself. It's entirely possible for an older vehicle to have current monitoring in its lighting system while using an older standard bus.

The CAN standard says nothing about what is monitored or how. So there's nothing inherent about a vehicle that uses CAN being more picky about monitoring lighting current and so forth.

The proper way to look at this is that vehicle manufacturers have started more commonly implementing such monitoring. There are in fact older vehicles that use older buses that also do this.

"CANBUS" is not an actual acronym used technically, nor does the fact that a vehicle has CAN as its base communications bus indicative of what it's systems monitor or not.

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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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Just fyi, that is the wrong bulb—our Jeeps use a D3S. It took quite a while before CBI were available in D3S.
Whoops sorry I thought I originally linked the D3S. Apparently not. Thanks for the correction.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

My wifes VW CC has these corning lights. They are very nice indeed.
I think they only come on below a certain speed and when the wheel turns enough.
They are dedicated lights for corning. But I'll take the Jeep creature comforts any day.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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There is a post on here about these somewhere:

X-treme Ultinon LED car lamp 12834UNIX2 | Philips

I can't remember if they were plug and play or required different wiring and sockets. The fogs were much improved. They also come in yellow, which I may do come springtime if I'm not going to have electrical issues as mentioned above ↑↑ by several others.

This. Direct plug and play for fogs. Increased light output and close color to headlights.

I plan on getting these from Xenondepot as soon as my reward points get active from my purchase of Xtreme HID from them.


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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

Wow, lots to think about. I need to read this when I am more awake, LOL. I think I may try swapping out the fog bulbs if the heat/electrical issue isn't there for the plug and play ones. I don't wan to do an HID conversion though, just not my cup of tea messing with all of those wires.

May look at different bulbs too, although now it is down to options for both (as in, which to get). Thanks for the insights everyone!
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This. Direct plug and play for fogs. Increased light output and close color to headlights.

I plan on getting these from Xenondepot as soon as my reward points get active from my purchase of Xtreme HID from them.

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Those ones are rated at 700 lumens but are supposed to be "similar" to 1200 lumens, love the way they word that lol. And regardless of what the marketing says at 6000k they are not a "perfect" match as they say to stock HID's, they are a little bluer. Stock H11 halogens are rated at 1250 lumens and they put out 1250 lumens. So yeah I think you'll get a little bluer out of them but a lot more use able light on the road that part I'm not believing.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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This is just a nitpick here, only said because I've reached a threshold of some kind when I see people say "CANBUS system." There's no such thing in the context of what's being said. While it is true that modern vehicles monitor lighting current draw and so forth, this isn't because of something special called "CANBUS." Some hacker that didn't totally understand what they were talking about started saying this sort of thing as if it WAS a thing and it stuck...sadly.
OKKKAAAAAAYYYYYYYY..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus

https://sewelldirect.com/learning-ce...bus-technology

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^ Something you wrote I can actually agree with.
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OKKKAAAAAAYYYYYYYY..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus

https://sewelldirect.com/learning-ce...bus-technology

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^ Something you wrote I can actually agree with.

I said it was a nitpick. . I do automotive systems engineering among other things and it just makes the hair on my neck stand up when I see people say "CANBUS" instead of CAN bus. That, and when they say "CANBUS vehicles are very picky about..." when the "pickiness" of the vehicle systems has nothing to do with what type of communications bus architecture they may employ. I could easily design a system using an ISO-9141 bus architecture that would be just as "picky." So to speak. The reason modern vehicles are more "picky" about bulbs and the sort is because they are actually using more sensors and monitoring bulb current which has more to do with the modules they are using and nothing to do with whether or not they are using CAN (which all passenger vehicles in the U.S. are now, at least from an OBD perspective).

But yeah...I'll shut up now.
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Those [LED fog bulbs] are rated at 700 lumens but are supposed to be "similar" to 1200 lumens, love the way they word that lol.
I love LED lighting, but it simply isn't ready for use in all applications. What's the point of an "upgrade" if it's going to be less effective of a light than stock?

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Stock H11 halogens are rated at 1250 lumens and they put out 1250 lumens.
This is especially notable when HID H11 fogs would push out 2800 lumens or so. Of course, that might just increase the glare of the fogbank in front of you or blind oncoming traffic due to our fog lamp projector housings lacking an appropriate cutoff for safe use of HID.

What would be ideal would be an HID D3S for our headlamp assemblies that magically emitted twice the luminous flux while not exceeding the power design envelope of our current system. Haha, oh well.
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Those ones are rated at 700 lumens but are supposed to be "similar" to 1200 lumens, love the way they word that lol. And regardless of what the marketing says at 6000k they are not a "perfect" match as they say to stock HID's, they are a little bluer. Stock H11 halogens are rated at 1250 lumens and they put out 1250 lumens. So yeah I think you'll get a little bluer out of them but a lot more use able light on the road that part I'm not believing.

Correct but i have the Xtreme kit 5k so it will be close match


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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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I love LED lighting, but it simply isn't ready for use in all applications. What's the point of an "upgrade" if it's going to be less effective of a light than stock?


This is especially notable when HID H11 fogs would push out 2800 lumens or so. Of course, that might just increase the glare of the fogbank in front of you or blind oncoming traffic due to our fog lamp projector housings lacking an appropriate cutoff for safe use of HID.

What would be ideal would be an HID D3S for our headlamp assemblies that magically emitted twice the luminous flux while not exceeding the power design envelope of our current system. Haha, oh well.

Even though the pack sign says that, if you search online the light output is as good, if not better than the halogen h11 in the fogs, and it gives you better off angle coverage. Search for it. Those bulbs are great.


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if you search online the light output is as good, if not better than the halogen h11 in the fogs, and it gives you better off angle coverage.
Haha, whatever you say, man. Approximately half the light output at its *advertised* rating (because those are never exaggerated), a different light emission pattern than the lamp housing was designed to accommodate... no doubt it's *far* superior.

Of course, to each their own.
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