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Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

We just got our 2015 diesel Summit and love it, but one of the few things we miss from our 2013 X5 35D BMW is the amount of light the headlamps / headlights put out.

The Jeep does a far better job of providing light than our halogen ram truck does, but we live on a very dark road and an even darker driveway that runs between retaining walls.

1) The Jeep's HIDs don't light up nearly as much of the sides of the street/grass, although actually have a bit more range on the highway than the BMWs

2) Probably a bigger factor, the BMW had an extra turn light or something that came on when you turned a corner, like into the driveway. It may have just been the foglight. So along with the adaptive lights (which are smoother than the Jeep's) it had additional lighting.

I think the BMW X5 had adaptive LED lights as an upgrade over the standard HID lights, so maybe we can't replicate that, but:

Two questions:

A) Is there a way of getting our headlights brighter and/or adding supplementary lights to help out on the dark street? I flipped on the fogs, not sure if they can be always on, and it helped a tad bit but not much.

B) Don't suppose there is a way of adding additional light than what the limited adaptive 1 beam turning gives you?

Overall we like the Jeep a lot better, just this issue and maybe losing the residual heat capability (where you can have the heat from the engine heat the cabin while the car is off and you run into the grocery store or something) are the only things so far we are missing from the X5.

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Old 11-22-2015, 11:43 PM
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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We just got our 2015 diesel Summit and love it, but one of the few things we miss from our 2013 X5 35D BMW is the amount of light the headlamps / headlights put out.

The Jeep does a far better job of providing light than our halogen ram truck does, but we live on a very dark road and an even darker driveway that runs between retaining walls.

1) The Jeep's HIDs don't light up nearly as much of the sides of the street/grass, although actually have a bit more range on the highway than the BMWs

2) Probably a bigger factor, the BMW had an extra turn light or something that came on when you turned a corner, like into the driveway. It may have just been the foglight. So along with the adaptive lights (which are smoother than the Jeep's) it had additional lighting.

I think the BMW X5 had adaptive LED lights as an upgrade over the standard HID lights, so maybe we can't replicate that, but:

Two questions:

A) Is there a way of getting our headlights brighter and/or adding supplementary lights to help out on the dark street? I flipped on the fogs, not sure if they can be always on, and it helped a tad bit but not much.

B) Don't suppose there is a way of adding additional light than what the limited adaptive 1 beam turning gives you?

Overall we like the Jeep a lot better, just this issue and maybe losing the residual heat capability (where you can have the heat from the engine heat the cabin while the car is off and you run into the grocery store or something) are the only things so far we are missing from the X5.
I pretty much agree with you that the HID lights on my 2014 Jeep Overland are not as good as on my previous 2011 Jeep Limited. Not sure what they changed, but I noticed the same differences you stated. Biggest difference seems to be on the high beams. The 2011 lit the road up much better. I always run with my fog lights on too. Probably not much can be done about it. Al
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

The X5 turns on the fog light for the side you're signaling. Might be wrong, but I have not seen where they come on without using your turn signal and only by turning your wheel in a specific direction (meaning the fogs don't function as adaptive lights).

You could try replacing the stock fog light bulbs with something brighter, I installed VLEDs and there is a definite improvement over stock. My Summit probably has the best lighting of any vehicle I have owned including better illumination of the edge of the road/grass. Only thing I don't like is I notice the adaptive headlights "wander" a bit back and forth when the wheel is at a certain angle, almost as if they aren't quite sure whether I am going to turn the wheel left or right.
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Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

Are you using the brights when entering your driveway area?

Fogs can be always on when you also have you lows on.

You could install HIDs for fogs. That would likely help a lot, if just having highs on isn't good enough.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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You could try replacing the stock fog light bulbs with something brighter, I installed VLEDs and there is a definite improvement over stock. ...
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Are you using the brights when entering your driveway area?

Fogs can be always on when you also have you lows on.

You could install HIDs for fogs. That would likely help a lot, if just having highs on isn't good enough.
Thanks everyone for the responses. As for the the quoted above, most of the time it has been the lows but we do now have the auto highs turned on.

I'm thinking it is worth exploring adding brighter foglights. Is that easy to do hopefully? Any worry about putting too high of current ones in or anything? I'll try to do some searches and see what I come up wiht. I did see some threads with people adding LED light bars in the front but I assume that is for off-road use only...can't imagine oncoming traffic would like those.
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Old 11-23-2015, 12:47 PM
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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Thanks everyone for the responses. As for the the quoted above, most of the time it has been the lows but we do now have the auto highs turned on.

I'm thinking it is worth exploring adding brighter foglights. Is that easy to do hopefully? Any worry about putting too high of current ones in or anything? I'll try to do some searches and see what I come up wiht. I did see some threads with people adding LED light bars in the front but I assume that is for off-road use only...can't imagine oncoming traffic would like those.
IMO there is not currently any effective quick plug and play methods to get a decent amount more light out of the fogs and match the color, plug and play as in only swapping a bulb out and not creating a project. Moving the fogs to HID is probably your best bet to get them a good bit brighter but to do that you need to install modules, relays and the whole spaghetti wiring mess but they will give you good improved light output if you are ok with the install. LEDs typically don't put out a whole lot more than the halogens and people have had varying luck and operational issues with them working and requiring additional modules and wiring similar to the HIDs. some folks here have had luck with some LEDs such as OPT7 but others have had issues, light output is supposed to be decent on those if you can get them to work. There are also 100w H11 halogens out there but I would not recommend those, the CANBUS systems on these newer jeeps are picky about seeing the correct amperage load and may not work right with too much or to little difference from the 55w OEM standards, not to mention that assemble and wiring was not really designed for nearly double the heat load of the 100w bulb.

One other thing to consider is light color, your OEM HID headlights are 4300K, with HID kits you can get pretty much any color bulb you want for an HID fog light kit but would probably be good to go with a 4300k hid in the fogs unless you want to change the headlight color also, but then you are getting into more to buy and more to do. For LED bulbs, colors are mostly between 5000-6000K which are a little bluer then your stock headlight HID 4300k. Just my opinion but if the fog and headlight are going to be different colors then the fog should be yellower than the headlight not the other way around which is what the LEDs unless you also change the HID headlight bulbs to match the LED fogs 5000-6000K, again more to buy and more to do.

So long story short yes I have been looking at doing similar to you and for what is currently available on the market an HID kit will give you the best light output which is really your goal and color match. LED technology is changing everyday and they will have better stuff available in time but what they got out now just isn't there yet in my opinion go with the HID for the usable light increase you are looking for.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

you could try changing the oem 4300k bulbs to Phillips 5k or 6k bulbs. I know they sell them at xenondepot.


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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

They say the best OEM (Osram/Sylvania/Philips) replacement bulbs are the CBI or SVS bulbs made by Osram. These are NOT cheapo blue looking bulbs, but are high quality OEM replacements made by the same manufacturers that supply the manufacturers. Although I have not tried them myself, I have seen many write-ups on them and they are said to be very good. You could simply swap the bulbs to either the SVS or CBI bulbs and you should see a noticeable improvement. Get the SVS bulbs if you want OEM color temp, get CBI if you want a slightly whiter look.

As far as HID projector output, they all have their pros and cons so it is very well that your X5 has a wider beam, but lacks just a little in distance.

CBI: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/co...l#.VlNmSb93osI

They don't seem to carry the SVS version right now, but I'm sure a little searching and they are out there. Be careful on purchasing through ebay. Prices are MUCH cheaper, but some have said these bulbs are knockoffs.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

There is a post on here about these somewhere:

X-treme Ultinon LED car lamp 12834UNIX2 | Philips

I can't remember if they were plug and play or required different wiring and sockets. The fogs were much improved. They also come in yellow, which I may do come springtime if I'm not going to have electrical issues as mentioned above ↑↑ by several others.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

The stock adaptive headlights on my '04 330Ci are much brighter.
Part of it is better lens i think.
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I'd like more light as well. Simply tacking it on via increased fog lamp output seems to be a double edged sword, as very bright fogs can increase glare if used in fog, and furthermore our fog projectors don't have the nice cutoff that our headlamps do.

I already get flashed by other drivers often enough driving around with my stock 2014 Summit headlamps on low beam... and those have adaptive vertical leveling.

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Just fyi, that is the wrong bulb—our Jeeps use a D3S. It took quite a while before CBI were available in D3S.
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Re: Adaptive Bi-Xenon HID on 2015 JGC not bright enough, especially on turns

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you could try changing the oem 4300k bulbs to Phillips 5k or 6k bulbs. I know they sell them at xenondepot.


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^this... I put in the Phillip bulb from xenon depot. 5k
It puts out a white light for improving visibility and with Phillips you lose zero lumen over the oem bulb
Overall for around $150 it was well worth it.. To me anyway
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