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Old 07-04-2015, 08:35 AM
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Re: Anyone Here Use Fuel Additives ?

At one point, IIRC, the user's guide and the owner's manual had different recommendations.

On the '14s it took a few editions to update the spark plug interval from 30,000 to 100,000 miles for the HEMI. I'm sure a bunch of people will stick to the 30,000. Like the higher octane situation, no harm done, just a few more dollars spent.

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Re: Anyone Here Use Fuel Additives ?

Don't use it. I used it on my 10 years old camry and then the cel lighted up. Heard this kind of additive damages the rubber hose or something.
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Re: Anyone Here Use Fuel Additives ?

Exactly, most gas in an area is the same, comes from same terminal where the tanker trucks all fill.

Difference is the additives and amounts for same octane grade.

I always wonder if the stations in my area, all are independent even though they show shell or exxon or irving, use much additives.

I use Amsoil, Gumout, Techron and any with PEA in it. Throw a bottle in a tank or two before an oil change, keeps the injectors happy and cleans any deposits on the valves and pistons



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There are few refineries so many stations will have the same base gas but the addative packages in that base gas are different from different brand names. A tank of shell is different from a tank of exxon though they may have the same base gas. I dont know the logistics of when those addative packages are injected but the final product we pump is different from brand to brand and why you should steer clear of no name minimart gas unless you know whats in it. May have a decent adative package or may have minimal bit of junk, roll the dice. You are buying an additive package when you buy a brand, similar probably but there are differences. There is a website called top tier gas or something like that lists the brands that use a certain minimum additive package to be considered top tier. Most big names are on the list but surprisingly not all. Sunoco was absent last i checked which surprised me as it is a fairly big name around here. You wont see the cornner minimart on there its nice to help out the local mom and pop business but id ask whats in there (or lack of) if you are a regular.
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Exactly, most gas in an area is the same, comes from same terminal where the tanker trucks all fill.

Difference is the additives and amounts for same octane grade.

I always wonder if the stations in my area, all are independent even though they show shell or exxon or irving, use much additives.

I use Amsoil, Gumout, Techron and any with PEA in it. Throw a bottle in a tank or two before an oil change, keeps the injectors happy and cleans any deposits on the valves and pistons
If a station says Shell or Exxon it is not an independent. These are franchises, and the companies whose name is on the sign is very concerned with what flows through their pumps. I don't know about today, but when Leon Hess was still alive, the only thing that went into those tanks was gas refined by Hess. Neither at the Hess station, nor my uncle's Exxon station was anything added to the gas at the station level.

Both companies took samples from tanks and pumps at least once a month to insure the integrity of their product. If Joe at Joe's Garage and hotdog stand is altering the product, that brand name sign will eventually be coming down, and Joe will be left with just his hotdogs.


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Old 07-05-2015, 08:34 AM
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If a station says Shell or Exxon it is not an independent. These are franchises, and the companies whose name is on the sign is very concerned with what flows through their pumps. I don't know about today, but when Leon Hess was still alive, the only thing that went into those tanks was gas refined by Hess. Neither at the Hess station, nor my uncle's Exxon station was anything added to the gas at the station level.

Both companies took samples from tanks and pumps at least once a month to insure the integrity of their product. If Joe at Joe's Garage and hotdog stand is altering the product, that brand name sign will eventually be coming down, and Joe will be left with just his hotdogs.
I'm not saying you're wrong. BUT, If what you're saying is true, then how did 3/4's of the gas stations in Phoenix go dry at the same time back in 2003 because of a single cracked pipe? It didn't matter what brand they were. They ALL were effected because all of their gasoline came out of the same pipeline.

Phoenix gas stations running dry

2003: Fuel shortages sounded alarm

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"On July 30, 2003 a Kinder Morgan pipeline in Tucson, Arizona ruptured, and sprayed 16,548 gallons of gasoline on five houses under construction, and flooding nearby streets with gasoline. The resulting pipeline closure caused major gas shortages and price increases in the state."
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Pipelines not only carry different brands, but they also carry different petroleum products. They pump either water or some chemical through between the different products.

But, I'm not saying additives might not be added somewhere along the distribution chain. But it is not going to be left to the truck driver or the gas station attendant. There would be no controls at that point. Plus, if the additives were so concentrated that you could add enough, by hand, to 3,000+ gallons at a time, they would be too toxic to handle without special equipment.

Long before Hess opened their first gas station, they were the major supplier to Shell in the northeast. Leon was such a control freak, they eventually merged with Amerada Oil. At that point they owned everything from the well to the refinery to the pump at the local station. Most of the stations at that time were franchises.

A refinery may supply product to various brands, but somewhere along the line there are differences introduced. Just like auto parts manufactures, they make similar products for multiple brands, but they are not the same. A few years ago a strike in South Africa slowed auto production for a number of brands because all the seats came from one place. But you wouldn't say your seat is the same as your neighbor's Chevy.


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Re: Anyone Here Use Fuel Additives ?

Someone mentioned above that the brand specific additives are added when the tanker truck is being filled at the distribution point which does make sense. Same base gas from pipeline and just injection of the additive during the fill
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Pipelines not only carry different brands, but they also carry different petroleum products.
That's like saying the Alaska Pipeline carries all different brands of crude. This was a single pipeline. It was over 100 miles long and 12" in diameter. How many gallons would it take to just fill the pipe? When it broke everyone went dry in Phoenix, as well as other cities. Mobil, Exxon, Shell, Phillips, Citgo, Arco, Sunoco, everyone. Raw crude is raw crude. A refinery is a refinery. A pipeline is a pipeline.

If there are in fact all of this individual gasoline formulas between brands, then where does all of the mixing take place? In 47 years of driving I have never seen a service station adding anything to their storage tanks. Nor have I ever seen a driver delivering fuel do it. They drive in, they hook up, they dump and go. In and out.

I have seen unmarked tankers delivering fuel to most every name brand station around here at one time or another. Millions of gallons of gasoline are delivered and sold every day. If there is all of this "mixing" and "formulation" between brands taking place, it would have to be one hell of a big operation. Where is it? Or a better question is, where are they, if every oil company has a different formula?? 1% of a million gallons is 10,000 gallons. That's a hell of a lot of "special ingredients" to be adding to gasoline every time, all the time. Let alone to have every company doing it differently, with dozens of different ingredients in God knows how many different formulas.

This all reminds me of Sunoco's "Custom Blending" gas pumps back in the 60's. The guy would "dial in" whatever blend you wanted. Mind you there was absolutely no way you knew what you were getting, just how much you were paying. The bigger the number, the "better" it was, and the more it cost. Where was the "secret blending tank" located? What the hell was in it? All this crap reminds me of that "Willow Curve" Chuck Woolery sells with the blinking lights, that's supposed to make your knees stop hurting. Along with all of that "Tommy Copper" crap. I never felt better when I walked around with a pocket full of old penny's.
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