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Re: Anyone know when 2012 production starts?

Would it kill Chrysler to offer the SRT8 motor in the overland package?

I honestly don't understand the logic behind the Jeep SRT8. They take away all of the off road capability of the SUV just so it looks good and goes fast.

I for one would definitely pay up for that motor tuned so that it does not comprimise the real reason why most of us by these trucks... utility.

If I wanted an oversized motor to go fast in something with four doors I would buy something like a CTS-V... oh wait I already did
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Do car manufacturers constantly change or modify the way cars are built throughout the model year? What im asking is say for example there is a TSB out for a 2011 Grand Cherokee for a known issue with how the power lift gate works (for example). Since it is a known issue do they modify the way its installed there on out so that any vehicle built after that will likely have the updated part or software?
Im just kind of curious because I wasn't about to wait for the 2012 models to come out, but I did want to wait to order my Overland so that it atleast had several months of production behind it. I didn't want a real early built one made in 2010.
Does this likely mean that my Overland that might be built in march will be the most up to date and any TSB or software revision would have likely been resolved/revised in the production process? Hope this makes sense.

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Would it kill Chrysler to offer the SRT8 motor in the overland package?

I honestly don't understand the logic behind the Jeep SRT8. They take away all of the off road capability of the SUV just so it looks good and goes fast.

I for one would definitely pay up for that motor tuned so that it does not comprimise the real reason why most of us by these trucks... utility.

If I wanted an oversized motor to go fast in something with four doors I would buy something like a CTS-V... oh wait I already did
Honestly, I wouldn't feel safe in an SUV with about 500hp that's lacking adequate brakes and other configurations that cope with this powerful engine (aerodynamics etc.). The Overland wasn't designed for a 500hp engine.

Just like F-16 engines on a Cessna....the wings might fly off...
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Do car manufacturers constantly change or modify the way cars are built throughout the model year? What im asking is say for example there is a TSB our for a 2011 grand Cherokee for a known issue with how the power lift gate works. Since it is a known issue do they modify the way its installed so that any vehicle built after that will likely have the updated part or software?
Im just kind of curious because I want about to wait for the 2012 models to come out, but I did want to wait to order my Overland so that it atleast had several months of production behind it. I didnt want a real early built one made in 2010.
Does this likely mean that my Overland that might be built in march will be the most up to date and any TSB on earlier 2011's would have likely been resolved in the production process? Hope this makes sense.

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Problems found that can be corrected through a TSB are always incorporated into current production, hence the notes on every TSB indicating "Built Before xx/xx/xxx". TBS's are typically only changes that make a part function as designed.

Things that change the way a component works, add additional functionality or are the result of a supplier change are usually called running changes. The magnitude of the change will determine if it's becomes a running change or is delayed until the model year changeover.
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Honestly, I wouldn't feel safe in an SUV with about 500hp that's lacking adequate brakes and other configurations that cope with this powerful engine (aerodynamics etc.). The Overland wasn't designed for a 500hp engine.

Just like F-16 engines on a Cessna....the wings might fly off...
Well, obviously I would take the beefier brakes

I can cite a few examples of SUVs that go fast and have lots of off road capability without the obnoxious front end or slammed appearance.
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Honestly, I wouldn't feel safe in an SUV with about 500hp that's lacking adequate brakes and other configurations that cope with this powerful engine (aerodynamics etc.). The Overland wasn't designed for a 500hp engine.

Just like F-16 engines on a Cessna....the wings might fly off...
And you can be assured Chrysler or any other car company will not sell a vehicle that doesn't have adequate brakes, suspension, tires, etc. to handle the HP. It's a product liability issue.

I think what the OP means (and I agree) is why don't they just take the Overland version and make the mechanical upgrades necessary to produce an SRT version. I guess it depends on the target demographic. I'm one who wants a super luxury SUV with the power to command the road, something like the X5 M, AMG ML63 or Cayenne Turbo. If Jeep could come out with an SRT8 Overland for ~$50K then they are in the neighborhood of 50% the cost of those others and THAT would be a HUGE advantage. But, they may face the reality that buyers with $100K burning a hole in their pocket want the name cachet that comes with the BMW, MB or Porsche badge and would never cross shop the SRT WK2. So, they may build up a base version to save money. Personally, I wish they would offer both.
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I honestly don't understand the logic behind the Jeep SRT8. They take away all of the off road capability of the SUV just so it looks good and goes fast.
Sounds logical to me!
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And you can be assured Chrysler or any other car company will not sell a vehicle that doesn't have adequate brakes, suspension, tires, etc. to handle the HP. It's a product liability issue.

I think what the OP means (and I agree) is why don't they just take the Overland version and make the mechanical upgrades necessary to produce an SRT version. I guess it depends on the target demographic. I'm one who wants a super luxury SUV with the power to command the road, something like the X5 M, AMG ML63 or Cayenne Turbo. If Jeep could come out with an SRT8 Overland for ~$50K then they are in the neighborhood of 50% the cost of those others and THAT would be a HUGE advantage. But, they may face the reality that buyers with $100K burning a hole in their pocket want the name cachet that comes with the BMW, MB or Porsche badge and would never cross shop the SRT WK2. So, they may build up a base version to save money. Personally, I wish they would offer both.

That's exactly what I meant. The Overland is such a classy looking and functional truck.. it would be great to simply have more power and towing capability. I for one would easily pay $50k for such an option, but realize there may not be enough demand. Honestly though, I can't believe there are more people that want to drive an obnoxious looking SRT8 than a more powerful Overland.
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Yeah, a decent looking SRT8 Overland would be nice - I thought you simply wanted the SRT8-engine as an option and leave anything else "as is"..

The Grand Cherokee is what it is: An Offroad-(capable) SUV. That's why I never fell in love with the SRT8-version. Granted, you still get the bigger trunk but since all other advantages an SUV has (towing, offroading etc.) will be lost, I'd rather pick a chrysler sedan with the SRT8 engine - IF I really want that much power.
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That's exactly what I meant. The Overland is such a classy looking and functional truck.. it would be great to simply have more power and towing capability. I for one would easily pay $50k for such an option, but realize there may not be enough demand. Honestly though, I can't believe there are more people that want to drive an obnoxious looking SRT8 than a more powerful Overland.
I dont think the SRT8 is obnoxious looking. I think they are darn right bad ass. I would still be driving my 2008 Red Rock SRT8 if it wasnt for its "obnoxious" fuel economy. I think overal the regular 5.7 Hemi suites the Overland very nicely.
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Problems found that can be corrected through a TSB are always incorporated into current production, hence the notes on every TSB indicating "Built Before xx/xx/xxx". TBS's are typically only changes that make a part function as designed.

Things that change the way a component works, add additional functionality or are the result of a supplier change are usually called running changes. The magnitude of the change will determine if it's becomes a running change or is delayed until the model year changeover.
Alright great thanks for that info. Like I said I wanted to wait atleast several months to get the issues that come out right away fixed. Even though it seems like the new 2011 is relatively pretty solid so far, I just want the little things worked out first. Hopefully by a march 2011 build date that will mostly be done.

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Alright great thanks for that info. Like I said I wanted to wait atleast several months to get the issues that come out right away fixed. Even though it seems like the new 2011 is relatively pretty solid so far, I just want the little things worked out first. Hopefully by a march 2011 build date that will mostly be done.

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I think you might be surprised, unless your adaptive cruise delays things, I would expect your vehicle to be built in February. In looking at the dates on the tracking thread and talking to my dealer it looks like delivery dates started freeing up in late December as they completed the initial Durango build. Some people got D1 status in early November with mid January estimated delivery while others got D1 status dates in mid to late December with delivery also in January.

My dealer was shocked my order went to D status in 3 days. That indicated to him that nothing was on hold (at this time) and they had it tentatively scheduled for a late January or early February build. Now mine is a simple order, Overland 4X4 with V8, no other options so that might have something to do with it.

Then again, I'm probably being an optimist I do need to take delivery before April so I have my fingers crossed.
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